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Thoughts on Commercial vs. Residential?
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Post 31 made on Tuesday July 16, 2019 at 18:39
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On July 16, 2019 at 12:10, Ernie Gilman said...
... hemorrhaging bunnies ...

That made me laugh
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Post 32 made on Tuesday July 16, 2019 at 20:57
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Good. That was the sole reason for that choice of words. Now I'm smiling, too.
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Post 33 made on Wednesday July 17, 2019 at 14:58
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On July 16, 2019 at 06:49, crosen said...
In NY residential work, low voltage never gets a look from inspectors (except in so far as electrical inspectors will want to see separation from low voltage.) So, forgive my ignorance here, but I am not clear what authority has jurisdiction when it comes to inspecting low voltage in a commercial environment?

The same is true in Canada. There are sections in the CEC (Canadian Electrical Code) pertaining to class 2 (Low Voltage) wiring but it is not part of the inspection process. There are no licensing requirements to be a low voltage installer or security installer and this is why we see a bunch of $h!t installations. We need to know building code and abide by them (where you can/can't drill, fire block between floors/walls) and ministry of labour rules (hard hats, steel toe footwear, harnesses/tie offs, etc.) but are not regulated by any inspections, permits, licenses. This goes for Residential and Commercial projects.
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Post 34 made on Saturday July 20, 2019 at 13:24
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On July 16, 2019 at 10:38, Mac Burks (39) said...
Have the electricians pull your cable. You will never again care what the inspectors say/do/think. Provide a plan, sell the wire, check up on their work periodically, test your cables before sheetrock, show up after the painters and install your gear.

I have started taking on more commercial work via a relationship I established with an electrical contractor. He hates and does not understand the back end of LV work and I hate pulling wire so it has worked out pretty well.

It has opened doors for both of us, allowing him to offer full turnkey solutions (electrical and LV) and I get access to bid jobs I wouldn't have had. I also now get cabling done to my pull schedule and standards without having to get my hands dirty.
He gets the money for the prewire (minus my engineering fees), I get the equipment sale and installation labor minus a small PM fee.
So far, so good.

After last night's drunken barrage of texts by a client at 10:45-11:00pm about his Netflix not working, I am starting to like the idea of commercial work more and more.
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Post 35 made on Monday July 22, 2019 at 07:49
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I run the resi dept in a larger electrical company that primarily preforms commercial work. On larger commercial projects the electrician will carry subs for data, security, AV, etc.

On resi projects we have the ability to build a relationship based on trust and transparency with the customer or their reps.

On commercial it's very black and white and people will try to screw you over. We have a lawyer on retainer now, and there is usually ongoing litigation of some sort.
Post 36 made on Monday July 22, 2019 at 09:44
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On July 15, 2019 at 21:43, tweeterguy said...
I would venture a guess that the majority of people on here (who primarily do residential) didn’t know that PoS also stood for Point of Sale.

They should know if they ever spent time in retail after the late-'70s.

That leads to a question- if people haven't been in retail, where do they learn to qualify customers and close a sale?
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Post 37 made on Monday July 22, 2019 at 09:48
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On July 15, 2019 at 23:04, davidcasemore said...
Right. Because there's a bar code scanner and cash register in every house.

Don't need to have those and a simple cash register is a POS. For that matter, a Square reader is POS if that's how someone takes payments.
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Post 38 made on Monday July 22, 2019 at 15:10
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On July 22, 2019 at 09:48, highfigh said...
Don't need to have those and a simple cash register is a POS. For that matter, a Square reader is POS if that's how someone takes payments.

A POS is also Tweeter's Sapphire line of speakers, the Video Acoustics speaker line at Circuit City, Goldstar VCRs at Sears and quite a few other products I've tried to excise from my mind over the last 25 years.
Post 39 made on Monday July 22, 2019 at 19:12
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On July 15, 2019 at 19:04, davidcasemore said...
Not everyone on here is going to know what a Point of Sale device is.

On July 15, 2019 at 21:26, Ranger Home said...
If CI's dont know what POS is, they aren't real CI's.

On July 22, 2019 at 09:48, highfigh said...
...a simple cash register is a POS. For that matter, a Square reader is POS if that's how someone takes payments.

On July 22, 2019 at 15:10, punter16 said...
A POS is also Tweeter's Sapphire line of speakers, the Video Acoustics speaker line at Circuit City, Goldstar VCRs at Sears and quite a few other products I've tried to excise from my mind over the last 25 years.

We can usually figure out the meaning of POS from the context. But good writing, which we're all capable of, isn't a scavenger hunt that makes us search for things. Writing is about communication.
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Post 40 made on Monday July 22, 2019 at 21:49
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On July 22, 2019 at 09:44, highfigh said...
They should know if they ever spent time in retail after the late-'70s.

That leads to a question- if people haven't been in retail, where do they learn to qualify customers and close a sale?

Again, another ventured guess. They haven’t been in retail (you mean worked in a retail establishment correct?)...or do you mean they like to shop at a B&M establishment. Now that everyone should know!

Back to the “spent time in retail”...many guys on here run business out of their home, a storage unit, or dare I say their barn? Many went from wire puller to the next level up and figured they could do better on their own. That’s hardly retail. Are they CI’s?

I’ve never had a cashier request I come over to their PoS to settle up.

Yes I’m splitting hairs to make a point; not everyone on here runs a retail type business, nor do they install in the retail space.
Post 41 made on Tuesday July 23, 2019 at 11:59
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Hey guys, I just wanted to chime in here - not on the POS discussion but the OP, lol.
I'm the commercial market director at Snap and wanted to make sure you know that we are here to support you in your endeavors in commercial applications. We've put significant effort into building out more commercial products and have built a team around supporting these products. You will find most of these in the 'Conferencing' section of our website, and feel free to PM me if you need help with a system design or product support of any kind - I'll be happy to assist you. Apologies if this comes off like a sales pitch - I/we really do care about your success and just want to help where possible. Thanks!
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