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For the Dish Network installers, how to tell which satellite setup I have.
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Post 1 made on Monday May 13, 2019 at 11:57
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I am currently trying to figure out which setup I have so I can find the correct numbers.

I just know that the dish has two receivers on it. It's attached to my Hopper 3 with one coax. And it receives only 61.5 and 72 birds. I'm located in CT, so 06339 for the zip.

Thank you,

KOT
Post 2 made on Monday May 13, 2019 at 12:40
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KOT,

I downloaded an App called "Dish Align" and it got me to 98% signal strength with the dish I require (82W, 91W).

The App is free and gets you almost exactly where you what you need.

For my coordinates with your dish the app is showing the following:
72.7 degrees W
39.3 degrees elevation
168.02 degrees (From true north) Azimuth
88.68 degrees LNB Polarisation
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Post 3 made on Monday May 13, 2019 at 18:51
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On May 13, 2019 at 12:40, SWOInstaller said...
KOT,

I downloaded an App called "Dish Align" and it got me to 98% signal strength with the dish I require (82W, 91W).

The App is free and gets you almost exactly where you what you need.

For my coordinates with your dish the app is showing the following:
72.7 degrees W
39.3 degrees elevation
168.02 degrees (From true north) Azimuth
88.68 degrees LNB Polarisation

Which satellite do you pick on the app?
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OP | Post 4 made on Monday May 13, 2019 at 21:38
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I believe I get it now, at least with the app that SWOInstaller mentioned.

When you click on the satellite icon in the upper left. You are given a list of birds. Which can be all of them, just the ones that are visible from your location or favorites.

On that screen in the lower left there are options for single or multiple LNBs.

For my location if I were to select single and then the following...

61.5W, it gives me 40.82 elevation, 164.14 true north and -11.81 polarisation.

72.7W, it gives me 42.05 elevation, 180.81 true north and 0.61 polarisation.

Whereas if I were to chose multiple LNBs it would give me the specs for the 72.7W bird. Even though it list 61.5W, 72.7W and 77.0W. Perhaps because it's the center one and to set up the dish itself, you have to point it to the center one?

I haven't gone out yet, but would like to know how the polarisation (polarization) is measured.

KOT
Post 5 made on Tuesday May 14, 2019 at 09:31
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On May 13, 2019 at 21:38, King of typos said...
I believe I get it now, at least with the app that SWOInstaller mentioned.

When you click on the satellite icon in the upper left. You are given a list of birds. Which can be all of them, just the ones that are visible from your location or favorites.

On that screen in the lower left there are options for single or multiple LNBs.

For my location if I were to select single and then the following...

61.5W, it gives me 40.82 elevation, 164.14 true north and -11.81 polarisation.

72.7W, it gives me 42.05 elevation, 180.81 true north and 0.61 polarisation.

Whereas if I were to chose multiple LNBs it would give me the specs for the 72.7W bird. Even though it list 61.5W, 72.7W and 77.0W. Perhaps because it's the center one and to set up the dish itself, you have to point it to the center one?

I haven't gone out yet, but would like to know how the polarisation (polarization) is measured.

KOT

Fins as KOT said above,

Once you open the App select the Dish (Top left corner) than in bottom right select the dual LNB (Middle Option). From there you need to know what birds your provider points to. For me in Canada I need Nimiq 82w,91w and Anik F1R, G1, and F2 birds depending on the provider.

Once you select which birds it takes you to a sat image of your location. In the bottom right if you select the compass you can use it to obtain proper direction that the dish needs to be pointing. If you then select the Information button it provides you with the elevation, Azimuth, and Plarisation (polarization?).
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OP | Post 6 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 11:19
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Ok now I have an other question.

I was able to get 61.5 to a strength of 65 plus. 72 to 55 plus. But thats on transponder 1.

I used transponder 29 for the adjustment process. As this is the transponder my receiver had liked. And it was the best average anyways. 61.5 was in the lower o mid 50s, 72 was mid 30s.

Now after the adjustments, 61.5 and 72 are at the lower 50s on transponder 29. Why would it choose 29 where transponder 1 has a better signal?

KOT
Post 7 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 12:32
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On May 17, 2019 at 11:19, King of typos said...
Ok now I have an other question.

I was able to get 61.5 to a strength of 65 plus. 72 to 55 plus. But thats on transponder 1.

I used transponder 29 for the adjustment process. As this is the transponder my receiver had liked. And it was the best average anyways. 61.5 was in the lower o mid 50s, 72 was mid 30s.

Now after the adjustments, 61.5 and 72 are at the lower 50s on transponder 29. Why would it choose 29 where transponder 1 has a better signal?

KOT

I'm not familiar with Dish Network however those signal strength numbers seem low. How is your line of site to the birds from the dish location?

Are you trying to aim using the single LNB or dual LNB within the App? If Single LNB and trying to get both birds, I think you will have problems. I would try the dual LNB settings. When I have used the app with open line of site to the sky I was getting high 90% with both LNBs (using the dual LNB settings within the app).
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Post 8 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 13:27
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On May 17, 2019 at 12:32, SWOInstaller said...
I'm not familiar with Dish Network however those signal strength numbers seem low. How is your line of site to the birds from the dish location?

Are you trying to aim using the single LNB or dual LNB within the App? If Single LNB and trying to get both birds, I think you will have problems. I would try the dual LNB settings. When I have used the app with open line of site to the sky I was getting high 90% with both LNBs (using the dual LNB settings within the app).

Ive never been able to get anyone to explain it to me, but I know Dish has different signal strengths than DTV. Its not a 0 to 100 scale.
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OP | Post 9 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 14:23
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On May 17, 2019 at 12:32, SWOInstaller said...
I'm not familiar with Dish Network however those signal strength numbers seem low. How is your line of site to the birds from the dish location?

Are you trying to aim using the single LNB or dual LNB within the App? If Single LNB and trying to get both birds, I think you will have problems. I would try the dual LNB settings. When I have used the app with open line of site to the sky I was getting high 90% with both LNBs (using the dual LNB settings within the app).

The numbers are spot on from the app... with a little tweak here and there due to the dishs arm being broken. As it fell down during high winds and before I wasnt able to secure it permanently when I moved here. Just slapped it into a 5 gallon bucket with a bag of concrete. Now its buried and with a few rocks on top of it.

As for those signal numbers, they are pretty accurate and good. At the previous address it was professionally installed. It started with 722k model then upgraded to the Hopper 3.

With the 722k model, the signal numbers were well above 80 on all 3 birds. But when the Hopper 3 came out, with a different dish and LNB. The signals dropped to the 50s. Even before the rest installed it, he advised me on that fact... I was his first install of the H3, but had read an email from corporate about that. Though I dont remember what great numbers look like. I could have them for alls I know.

As far as sight, its a clear view. Clearer at this location and my previous anyways. There are some tree tops across the street. But they are well below the view of the birds.

KOT
OP | Post 10 made on Saturday May 18, 2019 at 09:05
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After doing more research, using different words. I finally found someone who replied to a thread. They were replying to someone on the western arc, but the principal applies to the eastern too.

When you go to the signal strength page. What is displayed, satellite and transponder first. Is dependent on what channel you are/were viewing when you went to the page.

Heres an unofficial list of birds and transponders for the eastern arc.
[Link: uplink.jameslong.name]

Go to channel 71. Then to the signal strength page, youll see sat 61.5 transponder 8 is shown. Channel 87, sat 72 transponder 31. Of course this could dependent of your location and if Dish had made some back end changes and this unofficial list hasnt been updated.

So now I know why I see sat 61.5 and transponder 29 whenever I go into that page. Its because I am basically on the same channel each time I check. Ha

KOT
OP | Post 11 made on Saturday May 18, 2019 at 20:56 ...it's new!
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I just scored, if you want to call it that, a DirecTV dish. Which is way wider, maybe taller too, than my current Dish Network. From the little research I've done, I know I may not be able to use the LNB. But I should definitely be able to use the dish itself.

Would you guys think I could get better signals since the dish is bigger than what I currently have?

KOT
Post 12 made on Saturday May 18, 2019 at 22:02...it's new!
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On May 18, 2019 at 20:56, King of typos said...
I just scored, if you want to call it that, a DirecTV dish. Which is way wider, maybe taller too, than my current Dish Network. From the little research I've done, I know I may not be able to use the LNB. But I should definitely be able to use the dish itself.

Would you guys think I could get better signals since the dish is bigger than what I currently have?

KOT

Are you talking about trying to use a DTV dish to increase Dish reception?
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OP | Post 13 made on Sunday May 19, 2019 at 00:18 ...it's new!
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On May 18, 2019 at 22:02, Fins said...
Are you talking about trying to use a DTV dish to increase Dish reception?

Yup, pretty much. Ive read some people have used other type of dishes to do this very thing. Like a 6 or 8 footer to receive Dish a network way outside of US boarders.

Heck, Ive seen dual dishes with dual LNBs pointed at the same bird(s).

KOT


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