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Low budget: Church video camera broadcast to TV in another room
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Post 1 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 20:31
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Is there such a thing as a minimum 1080i video camera that can be converted to HDMI. Church wants to view mass in another room (75ft run) on a 70" TV when it becomes overcrowded.

I was thinking surveillance camera. What is the highest possible resolution on a coax cable. I see some analogue cameras advertising 1080p but how is it done as a composite video feed? And if it does go that high, is there a composite to HDMI converter that can handle that resolution?

I guess the other option is a lonely IP camera connected to a router. How do I get that to HDMI on the TV without spending a lot of money?
Post 2 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 20:39
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You can use an SDI camera and an SDI to HDMI converter.
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Post 3 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 20:41
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Another option, use an iPhone and live stream the video. If the tv is in another room, any delay shouldn’t be an issue.
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OP | Post 4 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 20:42
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Hmm...Do you have in mind a camera I can use with that? I guess that would be a broadcast quality camera which would be ideal.
OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 20:47
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It would have to be a permanently fixed camera to reduce complexity. Are the HD 1080p surveillance cameras (such as those from Hikvision..etc..) essentially SDI cameras? Trying to understand the difference between consumer composite video and the signal you might find going through coax on a surveillance camera
Post 6 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 21:08
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Has anyone ever done a church "anything" that wasn't low budget? Years back, the actual church I attend every Sunday asked me to give a proposal for a complete AV system.  My response?

"How about I just look at the proposals you receive and tell you what's what. "
Post 7 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 21:21
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On April 17, 2019 at 20:47, mrtristan said...
It would have to be a permanently fixed camera to reduce complexity. Are the HD 1080p surveillance cameras (such as those from Hikvision..etc..) essentially SDI cameras? Trying to understand the difference between consumer composite video and the signal you might find going through coax on a surveillance camera

I have a similar project to install next week. We are using a LUMA camera. But, what I didn’t think about, you need audio because the tv is in another room. For my job, the panels are in the sanctuary, just to give some seats better views.
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Post 8 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 21:29
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Look into cameras that can live stream to YouTube or Facebook since the tv is in another room. Then not only would it get the overflow room, but people that can’t make it to church can watch the service too.
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OP | Post 9 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 21:45
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That's sounds interesting. Let me know if you have suggestions for YouTube or Facebook cameras. However I would require sound from microphones. Planning to use an Audio Technica auto mixer for that. Any suggestions for 3 alter mics would be appreciated too. First thought was TOA as it's available from one of my suppliers.

I'm only assuming it's going to be low budget because it's a tiny old church. I have been to Churches with amazing AV though. Thought I was attending a concert or something. You would never see that in any Catholic church that I normally go to..but let's not turn this into a religious discussion. I like the AV suggesitons I'm seeing so far.
Post 10 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 22:45
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On April 17, 2019 at 21:08, Hasbeen said...
Has anyone ever done a church "anything" that wasn't low budget? Years back, the actual church I attend every Sunday asked me to give a proposal for a complete AV system.  My response?

"How about I just look at the proposals you receive and tell you what's what. "

Absolutely. This is something we've built a bit of a specialty around actually. Webcasting services is becoming quite popular with parishioners that cannot make it out to mass. (Not to mention Special occasions, weddings, etc) Overflow TV's, Digital Signage, Classrooms, etc etc...

We use PTZ Optics SDI cameras.(PTZ and Fixes) We install and support Wirecast Streaming systems. HDMI Matrix's, Mixing boards, Full Savant automation... the works.
Post 11 made on Wednesday April 17, 2019 at 23:25
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On April 17, 2019 at 21:08, Hasbeen said...
Has anyone ever done a church "anything" that wasn't low budget? Years back, the actual church I attend every Sunday asked me to give a proposal for a complete AV system.  My response?

"How about I just look at the proposals you receive and tell you what's what. "

I worked on a Crestron project well into 6 figures for a preacher once. He also had a wad of cash as thick as any dope dealer I've encountered over the years. "church is very profitable I guess...
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Post 12 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 00:00
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I've done this several different ways over the years.

Ideally, with respect to image quality and delivering a well performing solution, the best way to do this would be with an IP camera that has an on-board HDMI output.

I prefer the Axis line of camera for this setup. You can find a medium-cost 1080p IP camera, which has a fixed lens and also onboard SD Card slot if you need to record at no added cost. The HDMI output is excellent for this exact purpose.

There are other ways to do this as well, such as a less expensive IP camera and a standalone decoder (with HDMI, which can be mounted at/near the monitor and is connected VIA category cable).

The cheapest solution would likely be a simple HD-TVI decoder connected VIA HDMI to a monitor. Run coax and call it day.

I've done all three of the above, just depends on how down & dirty you need to get. Feel free to ping me privately to discuss more if you need bud.

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Post 13 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 09:48
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On April 17, 2019 at 20:31, mrtristan said...
Is there such a thing as a minimum 1080i video camera that can be converted to HDMI. Church wants to view mass in another room (75ft run) on a 70" TV when it becomes overcrowded.

I was thinking surveillance camera. What is the highest possible resolution on a coax cable. I see some analogue cameras advertising 1080p but how is it done as a composite video feed? And if it does go that high, is there a composite to HDMI converter that can handle that resolution?

I guess the other option is a lonely IP camera connected to a router. How do I get that to HDMI on the TV without spending a lot of money?

Why not suggest a DVR, so the services can be recorded to make them available to members of the church so they can watch when convenient? The HDMI problem would take care of itself because HD DVRs have an HDMI port. You would need an audio feed, but that's easy.
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Post 14 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 10:13
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PTZ Optics or Vaddio cameras with the HDBT extension kits would do this perfectly.

I don't find the resolution or frame rates from any security cameras making this look good on a 70"+ TV.
Post 15 made on Thursday April 18, 2019 at 12:00
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On April 17, 2019 at 20:31, mrtristan said...
Is there such a thing as a minimum 1080i video camera that can be converted to HDMI. Church wants to view mass in another room (75ft run) on a 70" TV when it becomes overcrowded.

Camcorder, that is, camera that can record. They all have HDMI outputs these days.

You then have to work out getting the audio into the HDMI signal. If you're going to insert it into the mic input of the camera, be sure it's at the correct level. I've actually heard from a guy (of questionable technical expertise) that mic level out of a mixing board blew the audio input circuitry on his camera.

Then run a CAT cable to the other room and use a pair of those baleen thingies to get the signal there.
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