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Smart Appliances: Why?
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Post 1 made on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 21:42
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At first Julie’s article on Bosch releasing their API so that their appliances can be integrated sounds like a good thing. But then after thinking about it some, I’m wondering, why. These are devices that you still have to go physically to to use. So other than an alert to notify you that supper is done or the load in the washer is ready for the drier, what good does this do?
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Post 2 made on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 21:45
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Other than the fridge that has a touchscreen for keeping track of and ordering food...i dont get it either.

The first Phast system we did was like 20 years ago. I remember wiring Cat5 to every appliance location so the client could upgrade to smart appliances. Im' sure the house has been gutted and fully renovated since then.
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Post 3 made on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 22:44
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Information. You watch. Buy one of these smart ovens. Use it. You will probably start getting ads for cooking and kitchen crap all over your spam and social media. It's all about that data.
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Post 4 made on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 22:54
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Stove/Oven:
1) You put your Lasagna in the oven in the morning. The oven keeps it cold through out the day. When you start to head home for work, you click the app to start dinner. The oven switches from cooling to baking. When you walk in the door at home, dinner is ready to come out of the oven.
2) You get a notification on your phone that one of the top heating elements has failed. It knows this from the monitored resistance on that heating element going open.
3) Push notification lets you know the oven has finished preheating. Or that a timer has completed.
4) Notification that you left the stove/oven on, when it doesn't sense anything on the cook top or in the oven.
5) Setup a complex cooking routine. Oven bakes at 175 for 4 hours, then switches to 400 for 10 minutes, then turns off.

Dryer:
1) Notify you when the dryer has stopped.
2) Notify you when the lint trap hasn't been cleaned out yet.
3) Start the dryer for 5 minutes in the morning, before you get out of your warm bed.
4) Notify you when trouble: drum not rotating, heating element out, etc.

Fridge:
1) Notify you if the door is left open a certain amount of time.
2) Keep an inventory list.
3) Monitor the temperature in the freezer and fridge (and even certain sections that have zone controls). And get alerts.
Post 5 made on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 23:11
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On March 19, 2019 at 22:54, Brad Humphrey said...
Stove/Oven:
1) You put your Lasagna in the oven in the morning. The oven keeps it cold through out the day. When you start to head home for work, you click the app to start dinner. The oven switches from cooling to baking. When you walk in the door at home, dinner is ready to come out of the oven.
2) You get a notification on your phone that one of the top heating elements has failed. It knows this from the monitored resistance on that heating element going open.
3) Push notification lets you know the oven has finished preheating. Or that a timer has completed.
4) Notification that you left the stove/oven on, when it doesn't sense anything on the cook top or in the oven.
5) Setup a complex cooking routine. Oven bakes at 175 for 4 hours, then switches to 400 for 10 minutes, then turns off.

Dryer:
1) Notify you when the dryer has stopped.
2) Notify you when the lint trap hasn't been cleaned out yet.
3) Start the dryer for 5 minutes in the morning, before you get out of your warm bed.
4) Notify you when trouble: drum not rotating, heating element out, etc.

Fridge:
1) Notify you if the door is left open a certain amount of time.
2) Keep an inventory list.
3) Monitor the temperature in the freezer and fridge (and even certain sections that have zone controls). And get alerts.

My house already has this functionality. Her name is Jennifer.
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Post 6 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 02:22
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One of my customers had a connected Miele refrigerator. One day he received a phone call from Miele suggesting that something was jammed in the freezer and that the drawer could not fully close. The drawer was only open a crack, not visually obvious.
Post 7 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 08:57
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Now that these devices are becoming so complicated, you have to be able to reboot it from your app to avoid a $100 service call.

It would be kind of nice if you could tell the oven what you're cooking, have it weigh it, and then cook it just right every time rather then having to be concerned about over cooking.
Post 8 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 09:17
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And there will be the occasional glitch and one will come home to a smoke filled room with a cinder in the oven.

Of course this can be a saving grace for the newlywed homemaker -- (sob) "The oven did it!".
OP | Post 9 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 09:20
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On March 19, 2019 at 22:54, Brad Humphrey said...
Stove/Oven:
1) You put your Lasagna in the oven in the morning. The oven keeps it cold through out the day. When you start to head home for work, you click the app to start dinner. The oven switches from cooling to baking. When you walk in the door at home, dinner is ready to come out of the oven.
2) You get a notification on your phone that one of the top heating elements has failed. It knows this from the monitored resistance on that heating element going open.
3) Push notification lets you know the oven has finished preheating. Or that a timer has completed.
4) Notification that you left the stove/oven on, when it doesn't sense anything on the cook top or in the oven.
5) Setup a complex cooking routine. Oven bakes at 175 for 4 hours, then switches to 400 for 10 minutes, then turns off.

Dryer:
1) Notify you when the dryer has stopped.
2) Notify you when the lint trap hasn't been cleaned out yet.
3) Start the dryer for 5 minutes in the morning, before you get out of your warm bed.
4) Notify you when trouble: drum not rotating, heating element out, etc.

Fridge:
1) Notify you if the door is left open a certain amount of time.
2) Keep an inventory list.
3) Monitor the temperature in the freezer and fridge (and even certain sections that have zone controls). And get alerts.

For the stove/oven, most people that can afford an oven that refrigerates and cooks, either don’t cook or the wife stays home and isn’t premaking a lasagna. I don’t see needing a push notification that the oven is preheated because when cooking, I’ve never found myself that far from the kitchen for that long. The complex cooking with different temps is a sales pitch. Doesn’t happen. And ultimately, the oven is something that can burn the house down. I don’t see many people being comfortable starting the oven when no one is home.

As for the dryer, I don’t want a dryer with more expensive diagnostic parts to tell me something I will notice very quickly, like the drum isn’t turning. And what kind of hovel are you living in that you would heat up your house in the morning by turning the dryer on?

And the fridge, my fridge has an alarm if the door is left open. If I’m not home to shut it, knowing about it doesn’t do me much good. And I’ve never worried about parts of the fridge being cooler than others.

Again, these all sound like points thought up by salespukes, not real purposes.
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OP | Post 10 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 09:23
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Also, out of all the arguments you all fake up with for connected appliances, I still didn’t see any reason to integrate them to the control system.
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Post 11 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 09:42
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Luddites, all of you. Think social media addict -- it would be wonderful if everyone could watch that Lasagna bubble up in the oven and the haters could chastise you for the terrible foods stored in your dirty refrigerator.
Post 12 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 09:49
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1. To raise prices.
2. So they break more often
3. They'll even call home that they're broken
4. Makes more money
5. People aren't smart, they rely on tech to tell them what's wrong, no common sense, so they truly need reminders and someone/thing to tell them what to do next.
Technology is cheap, Time is expensive.
Post 13 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 10:28
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On March 20, 2019 at 02:22, buzz said...
One of my customers had a connected Miele refrigerator. One day he received a phone call from Miele suggesting that something was jammed in the freezer and that the drawer could not fully close. The drawer was only open a crack, not visually obvious.

That could have been sensed by the switch for the light.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 14 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 11:35
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LOL. Isn't that a given? Julie wrote something. It must be stupid.
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Post 15 made on Wednesday March 20, 2019 at 12:10
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On March 20, 2019 at 11:35, juliejacobson said...
LOL. Isn't that a given? Julie wrote something. It must be stupid.

Fake News! Julie Rocks!
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