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Pre-wire Rates Questions
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Post 1 made on Thursday February 21, 2019 at 13:51
avexperience
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What are your guys going rates these days for a new construction pre-wire run of just one CAT-6. Average 100ft. per run. With Trim, box, misc...ect.?

Thanks in advance.
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Post 2 made on Thursday February 21, 2019 at 14:09
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140/drop
160/drop if it needs termination

We use ICE or Honeywell

Obviously, this is going to vary by to demographic area. There are some guys in my town that do it for $100/drop, which is insane and usually ends up being wrong or doesn't work.
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OP | Post 3 made on Thursday February 21, 2019 at 16:41
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Awesome. Thanks. Good info.
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Post 4 made on Thursday February 21, 2019 at 17:10
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We charge our normal hourly rate, and prices with good margin for wire + materials. We rarely do builder spec homes, so most rough ins are part of a much larger contract. We generally throw a +/- 20% estimate to the builders, then bill them actual T+M after we are finished with each phase. If they want a concrete figure, we figure it out based on the plans, conservatively estimated wire lengths, add labor, then pad it to cover our rears.
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Post 5 made on Thursday February 21, 2019 at 17:16
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On February 21, 2019 at 14:09, vwpower44 said...
140/drop
160/drop if it needs termination

We use ICE or Honeywell

Obviously, this is going to vary by to demographic area. There are some guys in my town that do it for $100/drop, which is insane and usually ends up being wrong or doesn't work.

I quoted a prewire for a builder I have worked with for several years.  They asked for a quote for a spec house that is exactly the same footprint as one we did 2 winters ago, asked for the same exact wiring.  I quoted it with pricing along the lines of the pricing you mentioned.  Not only did they no approve it, they never responded to my calls, emails, or texts.  2.5 months.  My electrician told me that had him wire it, which he did not want to do.  He charged them $50 a drop, with a little more for speaker locations.  Everybody wants everything for nothing nowadays
Post 6 made on Thursday February 21, 2019 at 17:29
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On February 21, 2019 at 17:16, goldenzrule said...
My electrician told me that had him wire it, which he did not want to do.  He charged them $50 a drop, with a little more for speaker locations.  Everybody wants everything for nothing nowadays

At $50 a drop, I think I can safely assume that:
It didn't come with any wiring labeled, no central wiring management or proper terminations, nothing verified, and bare minimum.
So after it is explained that it will cost an additional $75+ per drop to make any of those drops usable. And retrofitting might be required to actually have what the customer wants in the house (in the tune of $150-$300 per retrofit drop - if even possible). Do they think they have saved anything?
Builders are some of the dumbest idiots, I swear!
Post 7 made on Thursday February 21, 2019 at 18:52
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On February 21, 2019 at 17:29, Brad Humphrey said...
At $50 a drop, I think I can safely assume that:
It didn't come with any wiring labeled, no central wiring management or proper terminations, nothing verified, and bare minimum.
So after it is explained that it will cost an additional $75+ per drop to make any of those drops usable. And retrofitting might be required to actually have what the customer wants in the house (in the tune of $150-$300 per retrofit drop - if even possible). Do they think they have saved anything?
Builders are some of the dumbest idiots, I swear!

They don't care. All they see is what they pay. They want to pass any additional costs onto the home buyer. I'm don't with this builder. Not worth the effort any longer.
Post 8 made on Thursday February 21, 2019 at 20:14
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On February 21, 2019 at 17:16, goldenzrule said...
I quoted a prewire for a builder I have worked with for several years.  Not only did they no approve it, they never responded to my calls, emails, or texts.  2.5 months.

This is because 98.7% of homebuilders are cokcsuckers. I mean, it seems as if builders actually are required to take a class in cokcsucking.
how in the hell does ernie make money?
Post 9 made on Friday February 22, 2019 at 09:03
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We're at $95 per single drop, $135 dual drop. Highest in our market is my undertandin, which is exactly the way I want it (Ive seen the competitors work lol). That's terminated. Works well for us. Prewire is still the most profitable leg of our business.

Speaker runs are $135. Each additional run with a single drop is $40 more.
Post 10 made on Friday February 22, 2019 at 11:14
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On February 21, 2019 at 17:16, goldenzrule said...
I quoted a prewire for a builder I have worked with for several years.  They asked for a quote for a spec house that is exactly the same footprint as one we did 2 winters ago, asked for the same exact wiring.  I quoted it with pricing along the lines of the pricing you mentioned.  Not only did they no approve it, they never responded to my calls, emails, or texts.  2.5 months.  My electrician told me that had him wire it, which he did not want to do.  He charged them $50 a drop, with a little more for speaker locations.  Everybody wants everything for nothing nowadays

We have a builder that we do work for. We did 3 of his personal homes before and on the one he currently lives at he said the electrician said he’ll wire and install everything for free. My boss told him he wouldn’t do that so the electrician went ahead and wired it. They wired everything into a small built in cabinet in the mud room. After a week of him moving in he called us so we can go hang up his TVs because the electricians only hung up 1 tv and couldn’t get it working. We went hung up all his TVs got them working and setup some sonos speakers around the house so he can have some music. They took over 2 months to install the speakers, everything had speaker rings installed. And they wired a surround room and 6 stereo rooms to 1 Denon. They didn’t even use zone 2 they just hooked everything up to the fronts. They were using Clare controls but they didnt know how to set it up.

We ended up going ripping everything out and using the sonos we took out of his old house and putting in a savant controller.
Post 11 made on Friday February 22, 2019 at 11:25
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builders don't have to live in the house so they don't care,. i have been in a number of production built houses around here that did not even have COAX drops in the bedrooms because the builders believe everything is wireless - which is why they will balk at $100 for a wire drop. they are used to electrician prices and to them a "wire is a wire".
Its a buddy system because the builder will promise XX# of houses and the sparky works on volume rather than high margins - unlike us- so builders do not value the economics of our business.
also - the cable/sat/internet companies around here will cut off all your home run terminations and put on their own so its pointless to trim most of them out. that way they are responsible for the quality of the terminals because apparently many electricians did not go to low Voltage terminations class.
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Post 12 made on Friday February 22, 2019 at 11:45
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In our area cable installers don’t usually bother anything terminated to a wallplate, but they’ll reterminate any free end that they can get their tool on. I leave generous slack so that they can do their messy thing without destroying my wire dress.
Post 13 made on Friday February 22, 2019 at 13:20
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This is interesting. I do not quote residential projects by "the drop" but, after reading this thread, I was curious to see what my per drop price would be compared to Mike's $140/$160.

My math looks like this:

-$25 for wire (100 feet generic cat6, more for plenum, Belden, direct bury)
-$20 for the p-ring, decora plate, keystone, decora cover
-$5 for generic "materials" (nail plates, screws, cable staples, zip ties, foam, etc.)
-$100 for rough-in labor (1 man hour)
-$50 for trim out labor (.5 man hour)
-$15 in project management labor (fee: 15% of total labor)
-6.5% sales tax

Total installed price for a terminated keystone (at the wall jack only, not including termination on a patch panel at the rack or verification/qualification, etc.) = $ 228.98 or if I round up, $230.
OP | Post 14 made on Friday February 22, 2019 at 13:51
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That seems low. Does this include the trim out for the 95$ for a single drop? I guess this could depend on your market also.
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Post 15 made on Friday February 22, 2019 at 14:18
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Storch- there is of course some scaling going on with a pre-wire. you should be able to run multiple wires at once (coax + 2 CAT6 to a Tv for instance). it takes the same time to run one wire as 3 (generally) from the head end.
30 minutes for a single trim is not reasonable. unless you went to the house to do only one trim location.
If electricians charged like this it would be $500+ per drop because (licenses)...

at the end of the day the market will dictate the price - we can choose to take it or leave it. we are not going to change their minds.
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