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The edges of an externally masked projector image
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OP | Post 16 made on Monday February 4, 2019 at 13:21
Ernie Gilman
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On February 3, 2019 at 14:44, highfigh said...
Infinity?

Yes. Most projectors throw their image onto a flat surface. A screen, that is. Just as it's silly but accurate to say that DC has a frequency of 0Hz (even this is a rounded-off value), it's accurate to say that a flat surface has a radius of infinity.

Maybe for long throw, but a 7' radius isn't going to work with that type of lens. The image is focused on a plane at some distance from the lens and just like capturing an image, the lens has a limited depth of field. Because of this, a projector that's near its inner limit of useful distance to the screen may be in focus at either the edge or center, but not at the other when projecting its image onto a flat surface. The whole reason curved screens are used is so the viewers will be able to see things in focus when they turn their head or rotate, without their eyes needing to refocus as they turn. The problem- if they're not at the correct locus for the curve, it won't be in focus as it should be and if the lens isn't right for the curve, ditto.

All that is true. And known. And irrelevant because --
You have completely forgotten that this is art, not video. Choices have been made. Deviations have been made from the way one would focus on, say, "Die Hard." The artist has specified that the center of the image is to be in focus, and it's understood that the focus will degrade as the image gets wider.

How far from the screen is the projector to be mounted?

On the lift that worked with the last projector. The artist has purchased one of these projectors, and the same lens, and has set it up in the studio and defined where it's to go. The throw, at the center, will be about twenty feet.

Remember- the elements of a lens aren't flat, which means they naturally distort the image to some extent. They have corrective elements, but those only work when the lens assembly can focus at a specific range of distances- anything inside or outside of that and spherical aberration occurs. Also, the colors don't have the same wavelength, so it's possible that the same kind of rainbow effect may be seen that's visible with DLP TVs- the colors don't focus on the same plane.

Might I mention something at this point? It's art. And the artist has physically installed this in the studio and is giving dimensions and instructions from there. The focus has been seen. The change (we'd correctly say "degradation") of focus has been seen. The location of the best focus has been defined.
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Post 17 made on Monday February 4, 2019 at 14:13
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Has the artist offered a masking scheme that is satisfactory?
OP | Post 18 made on Monday February 4, 2019 at 16:22
Ernie Gilman
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The artist's words:
In addition, you could use some tape or something on the lens to vignette the extra black on the sides if there is not enough ambient light.

That plus a moment's thought are the source of the question, the answer to which is the purpose of this thread.

I asked why extra ambient light might be to anyone's advantage and got no reply. However, I also supplied a loaner projector that was only half as bright as the new one to come, and I found that more ambient light made the projected image look better, more ephemeral with the lack of focus less noticeable. It's a mood-setting moving image. It's NOT a movie and can only be said to have a very cursory plot.
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Post 19 made on Tuesday February 5, 2019 at 03:39
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On February 4, 2019 at 13:21, Ernie Gilman said...
Yes. Most projectors throw their image onto a flat surface. A screen, that is. Just as it's silly but accurate to say that DC has a frequency of 0Hz (even this is a rounded-off value), it's accurate to say that a flat surface has a radius of infinity.

They throw the image onto a flat screen because it's easier to make a screen that's flat, rather than curving it to match the lens. Yes, lenses 'steer' light to hit a flat screen, but if you use a test disc for critical focus, you'll almost never see that all areas of the screen are in focus.



Might I mention something at this point? It's art. And the artist has physically installed this in the studio and is giving dimensions and instructions from there. The focus has been seen. The change (we'd correctly say "degradation") of focus has been seen. The location of the best focus has been defined.

Oh, yeah- I forgot- this is 'art'.
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Post 20 made on Tuesday February 5, 2019 at 03:44
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On February 4, 2019 at 13:21, Ernie Gilman said...
The artist has specified that the center of the image is to be in focus, and it's understood that the focus will degrade as the image gets wider.

And the artist has physically installed this in the studio and is giving dimensions and instructions from there. The focus has been seen. The change (we'd correctly say "degradation") of focus has been seen. The location of the best focus has been defined.

Why the eff didn't you tell us before now? 99% of this thread could have been avoided!!!!!!!!!!!
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