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Arcam 350 to Epson processor 12 v triggering.
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Post 1 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 13:31
elannut
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I want a older Epson HQV processor to turn on when an older Arcam 350 AVR awakens from standby via IR remote.

Documentation is poor with both units.

[Link: arcam.co.uk] Manual/avr350e_manual.pdf


[Link: files.support.epson.com]

Both units seem to have 12 v jacks but unclear if for triggering.


Units are 15 feet apart in different rooms otherwise I would have just experimented before asking.

BK
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Post 2 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 14:16
Ernie Gilman
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The Arcam unit has massive documentation on its several triggers. I'd say that the difficulty is reading all the details. I'd make a table of what does what when. When I saw that one of those triggers is for sending a signal to tell a display what kind of video signal is being sent, I quit reading. Figuring that out is a job for a consultant (or an A/V installer who has to work with the unit).

I don't think it will matter much what those triggers do, though, until you figure out the Epson. The word "trigger" cannot be found by searching in the Epson file, but there IS a trigger jack on the projector jack panel. But it's labeled TRIGGER OUT, so it won't be of any help to you.

If I'm seeing this right, this projector is a processor + projector kit, though, and this document doesn't say anything about the processor. The two things labeled A and B on the mostly unlabeled drawing of the back of the processor might be trigger inputs. You'll need to find the document on the processor to move ahead.
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Post 3 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 14:17
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Your desire will not work.
The 12V trigger is on the Projector (it is an out) is for dropping a screen.
The Arcam manual is not coming up for me, but....
Usually AVR triggers are outs only, so "what we have here, is a failure to communicate".
There are two outs and no in.
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Post 4 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 14:37
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If the Epson has a latching power switch, use a voltage triggered outlet to achieve your goals.
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OP | Post 5 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 15:51
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Thank you.

I will explore "latching power switch"
The labelled A and B on processor back remains a mystery. I will let people know what it means when I find out. If one is an input and the avr is out then there is a possibility I will make this happen
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Post 6 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 15:52
Ernie Gilman
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On December 3, 2018 at 14:17, Brentm said...
The Arcam manual is not coming up for me, but....

Not for me, either, until I clicked on "quote" and then used Ctrl-C to copy into the address bar.
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OP | Post 7 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 16:57
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I was aware projector could lower screen with 12v trigger but I could not figure out what those 2 jacks do on Epson processor do/did
I will explore the latching switch
Thank you
BK
OP | Post 8 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 17:09
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Saw that links having problems

For Arcam

[Link: arcam.co.uk]

For Epson
[Link: files.support.epson.com]


[Link: files.support.epson.com]


I will look into the latching switch.
I am still trying to find documentation on what those jacks do on the video processor.

But otherwise...thanks all
BK
Post 9 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 17:18
Ernie Gilman
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On December 3, 2018 at 16:57, elannut said...

I was aware projector could lower screen with 12v trigger but I could not figure out what those 2 jacks do on Epson processor do/did
I will explore the latching switch
Thank you

You write "the" latching switch as though we have discussed it here. I missed it. What are you referring to?

Have you been able to find a document for the processor similar to the doc you found for the projector?

Does the projector have an IR sensor that turns itself and the processor on? Does the processor have an IR sensor that turns itself and the projector on? Does the HDMI connection provide power ON and OFF to the other unit?

Backing up one step (which is to say not attempting to answer your question, but instead looking for a different solution):
I take it you're using Elan products, which I'm not familiar with. Is there a way to get IR to the processor or projector? If there is, then a macro on a control interface would turn on both the Arcam and the Epson.
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OP | Post 10 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 18:27
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On December 3, 2018 at 17:18, Ernie Gilman said...
You write "the" latching switch as though we have discussed it here. I missed it. What are you referring to?

Something Fred Harding brought up about 5-6 posts ago! (post 4)
Have you been able to find a document for the processor similar to the doc you found for the projector?

Amazingly, "no"
Does the projector have an IR sensor that turns itself and the processor on? Does the processor have an IR sensor that turns itself and the projector on? Does the HDMI connection provide power ON and OFF to the other unit?

Projector and processor can do this with RS232
The projector I believe is turned on by a Crestron processor mc2e which also, I believe drops the screen.
I do not think that the hdmi is powering anything on or off
Backing up one step (which is to say not attempting to answer your question, but instead looking for a different solution):
I take it you're using Elan products, which I'm not familiar with. Is there a way to get IR to the processor or projector? If there is, then a macro on a control interface would turn on both the Arcam and the Epson.

The Elan system is for a different system.
The Epson projector and processor kit is semi-controlled by crestron which drops screen, turns projector on and off but always leaves the processor on. It also controls the Arcam. I was not looking to mess with the system other than perhaps run a 3.5 mm male jack from Arcam 12v to the Epson processor because I would like the Epson processor to shut down when I remotely shut down the system with an TPMC-8x

I really don't want to mess with Crestron nor would I know how nor would I ask anyone to teach me that as I know its proprietary and at the level of experts
BK
Post 11 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 21:32
Ernie Gilman
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Are you william13?

The video processor's model apparently seems to have TX3 in its model number. What other model information do you have on the processor?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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OP | Post 12 made on Tuesday December 4, 2018 at 22:09
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Yes!

Nothing else to identify. (except this: silicon optix epson hqv tx3)

This is the projector it is paired with. Loosely eludes to the processor in early pages.

[Link: files.support.epson.com]

I am going to try to experiment. Do you know if it matters if I have a 3.5 mm male jack that is stereo vs mono? Going to go from 12v out on Arcam to those trigger (? in vs out) on Epson processor with a stereo jack.

Update: tried above and no go!

Last edited by elannut on December 4, 2018 22:28.
BK
Post 13 made on Tuesday December 4, 2018 at 23:33
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On December 4, 2018 at 22:09, elannut said...
Update: tried above and no go!

Hardly a surprise.
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OP | Post 14 made on Wednesday December 5, 2018 at 08:52
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On December 4, 2018 at 23:33, davidcasemore said...
Hardly a surprise.

Why?
BK
OP | Post 15 made on Wednesday December 5, 2018 at 13:19
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I just got off the phone with Epson. They too are have difficulty finding documentation on what the 2 ports A and B are on the back of the video processor.
Like BrentM they first thought I was talking about the projector itself and they told me these were 12v out to drop screen but latter they called me and told me that these are actually 12 v trigger port ins. But they added even though my avr has 12 volt trigger out, it will not trigger the processor on because "it is not CEC". That's where this became unclear to me. They were surprised themselves the answer was not on their own documentation. So even thought my AVR is trigger out and processor is trigger in...it won't work because it's not CEC. Figure it out!?

Last edited by elannut on December 5, 2018 13:38.
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