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Some Sonos surround observations
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Post 1 made on Friday November 30, 2018 at 02:58
tomciara
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I finished working at a house that had 5 different receivers, some 2 channel and some surround. They fed, independently of course, 6 or 8 different rooms of audio. Pulled them. Now Sonos works very nicely everywhere.

Two rooms had monitors fed by component video, with HDMI to component converters. One room had a cat5 between TV and the component shelves, and the other did not. The cat5 room allowed for a PlayBar and Connect:Amp to accomplish 5.1.

The other room was an issue, with no cat5 in place, and the rear channel speaker wiring coming out to a cabinet 15 feet away, with no wire runs possible.

It did have a shielded 4 conductor cable between the two, which I punched down to pins 1,2,3 and 6, hoping I could interconnect the PlayBar and Connect:Amp. No go.

***Take careful note that the app now allows the Connect:Amp to set up for surround, no command line setup needed. HOWEVER, I have had two setups now which allowed me to choose the Connect:Amp, paused to configure the room, produced no error messages, but DID NOT WORK. No surround speaker output. I think it's a bug in the app and let them know.

I ran a cat5 across the floor and added the amp again and surround came to life. Went back to the four conductor and it died. So that was a fail.

Went back to the truck, grabbed a BEAM and an AMP. They set up for surround, with no Ethernet connection required, and began playing very quickly. Wish I'd tried it a couple hours earlier! It's a nice problem solver. No cable required. The Beam is the only part of the entire system connected to the router, BTW. Everything else is SonosNet.
There is no truth anymore. Only assertions. The internet world has no interest in truth, only vindication for preconceived assumptions.
Post 2 made on Friday November 30, 2018 at 07:42
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CONNECT:AMP must be wired when used for surround. AMP can be wireless.
OP | Post 3 made on Friday November 30, 2018 at 15:05
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Didnít try PlayBar and new amp. Suspect no.
There is no truth anymore. Only assertions. The internet world has no interest in truth, only vindication for preconceived assumptions.
Post 4 made on Friday November 30, 2018 at 15:13
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You know donít you that Sonos doesnít do true surround sound? Like Bose they donít do Dolby decoding. They do simulated surround
Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.

Post 5 made on Friday November 30, 2018 at 15:29
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On November 30, 2018 at 15:13, Fins said...
You know donít you that Sonos doesnít do true surround sound? Like Bose they donít do Dolby decoding. They do simulated surround

This is not true of Bose SoundTouch 300, Soundbar 500, or Soundbar 700
Supported audio format: Dolby Digital, DTS*
*Pulled from www.Bose.com
Post 6 made on Friday November 30, 2018 at 15:42
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On November 30, 2018 at 15:13, Fins said...
You know donít you that Sonos doesnít do true surround sound? Like Bose they donít do Dolby decoding. They do simulated surround

Sonos supports Dobly Digital. If not native dolly Digital it simulates surround
Post 7 made on Friday November 30, 2018 at 17:52
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On November 30, 2018 at 15:29, bisgit said...
This is not true of Bose SoundTouch 300, Soundbar 500, or Soundbar 700
Supported audio format: Dolby Digital, DTS*
*Pulled from www.Bose.com

From Bose's website...
The Soundbar 500:
Supported audio format: Dolby Digital

The Soundbar 700 does support both Dolby and DTS, as does the Soundbar 300.
This industry is not getting cheaper and cheaper, we're simply convincing ourselves that we have to push the cheapest option to customers.
#makesonosgreatagain
Post 8 made on Friday November 30, 2018 at 17:53
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On November 30, 2018 at 15:42, imt said...
Sonos supports Dobly Digital. If not native dolly Digital it simulates surround

I know the Playbar can't support Dolby Digital+, can the Beam (via HDMI ARC)?

Customers don't need to know anything about this, but they do need their soundbar to play everything they try - otherwise it's an tension filled phone call to you when they can't play a movie their kids want to watch...
This industry is not getting cheaper and cheaper, we're simply convincing ourselves that we have to push the cheapest option to customers.
#makesonosgreatagain
Post 9 made on Sunday December 2, 2018 at 23:08
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Unfortunately, the Beam is a steaming piece of crap for sound quality compared to the playbar. We just installed one for a cheap master bedroom setup and I was stunned by how bad it was. Sounded like a $99 special soundbar from amazon. YMMV
Post 10 made on Sunday December 2, 2018 at 23:16
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On November 30, 2018 at 15:29, bisgit said...
This is not true of Bose SoundTouch 300, Soundbar 500, or Soundbar 700
Supported audio format: Dolby Digital, DTS*
*Pulled from www.Bose.com

This is a fairly new feature then. Because their lifestyle theater in a box systems didnít previously. I made a BB salesman nearly crap himself when I pointed that out once.
Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.

Post 11 made on Sunday December 2, 2018 at 23:19
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On November 30, 2018 at 15:42, imt said...
Sonos supports Dobly Digital. If not native dolly Digital it simulates surround

Didnít we get into this here when the Playbar came out and figure out that if the TV puts out Dolby Digital, the playbar can accept it, but it still doesnít do true surround decoding in the end? I do know one big problem was almost no TV would send a digital signal out except for OTA audio.
Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.

Post 12 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 06:59
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The Playbar decodes Dolby Digital, it does not do DTS. Usually not a problem except for Blu-ray. If you have a Blu-ray in the system get one that can convert DTS to Dolby as some discs do not have a Dolby track on it.

Fins is correct that many older TVs did not decode Dolby (or DTS) and therefore only requested PCM from the source. So they only receive PCM through their HDMi inputs. If the TV only accepts PCM through its HDMI inputs that is all it can repeat to the optical connection. For OTA and its apps it could do Dolby. Before it was only Sony and one or two other brands that could handle Dolby. Today, almost all TVs have Dolby decoders and repeat the Dolby signal to the optical connection. This is not an issue anymore for the Sonos Playbar.
Post 13 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 11:09
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On December 2, 2018 at 23:16, Fins said...
This is a fairly new feature then. Because their lifestyle theater in a box systems didnít previously. I made a BB salesman nearly crap himself when I pointed that out once.

This is fairly new, the 2016 redesigned soundbars and Lifestyle systems took a lot of input from the custom integration community and implemented the features that were technologically and financially feasible. The Lifestyle systems now have these Codecs built in.

Supported audio formats: Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, Multichannel PCM.
Video source compatibility: Support for six 4K/60 video sources (HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2)

I work for the company now but have been in the custom integration industry for 12 years.
Post 14 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 12:38
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On December 3, 2018 at 11:09, bisgit said...
This is fairly new, the 2016 redesigned soundbars and Lifestyle systems took a lot of input from the custom integration community and implemented the features that were technologically and financially feasible. The Lifestyle systems now have these Codecs built in.

So finally has caught up to every other manufacture, that has had this for 15+ years. Nice.
Now with Atmos, DD+, etc... BOSE might have a codec for those in another 10+ years?
"Better sound thru marketing" :)
Post 15 made on Monday December 3, 2018 at 15:45
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On December 3, 2018 at 12:38, Brad Humphrey said...
So finally has caught up to every other manufacture, that has had this for 15+ years. Nice.
Now with Atmos, DD+, etc... BOSE might have a codec for those in another 10+ years?
"Better sound thru marketing" :)

Brad, you have the tagline wrong, it is "Better Sound Through Research" but I could understand the mistake, given the salt that is poured out on this forum.
DD+ is already implemented in current Lifestyle systems. Those Lifestyle systems are 5.1 (dual Bass Modules are output in mono) thus have no mechanical ability for Atmos. Atmos systems are incredible, when done correctly.
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