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Post 1 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 01:09
Mac Burks (39)
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I was surprised this week when i found out i booked a smoking room at a hotel by mistake. I had no idea that was even still a thing. Even when i smoked i wouldn't smoke inside. Anyhow...now im second guessing everything i thought was truth...is this legal anywhere in the US?

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Post 2 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 01:30
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On October 31, 2018 at 01:09, Mac Burks (39) said...
I was surprised this week when i found out i booked a smoking room at a hotel by mistake. I had no idea that was even still a thing. Even when i smoked i wouldn't smoke inside. Anyhow...now im second guessing everything i thought was truth...is this legal anywhere in the US?


Why wouldn’t that be legal? It’s GFI....

P.S I forgot about smoking rooms. Had one in Vegas and it grossed me out haha
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OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 01:33
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On October 31, 2018 at 01:30, BrettLee3232 said...
Why wouldn’t that be legal? It’s GFI....

P.S I forgot about smoking rooms. Had one in Vegas and it grossed me out haha

The one on the right is...not the left.
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Post 4 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 01:44
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On October 31, 2018 at 01:33, Mac Burks (39) said...
The one on the right is...not the left.

Lol you know how GfI’s work right? Not every plug has to be a “GFI” plug. But in a bathroom every plug has to be “gfi protected”. On the back of the gfi you have “line” & “load”. As long as the left plug is on the load side (and every plug after that) then it’s fine. Kind of like a Kitchen, usually there’s 2 GFI circuits in a kitchen. But not every plug is a GFI plug.

That being said i did see a kitchen remodel with every outlet was a GFI 😂
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OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 03:14
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The outlets are wired independently. I can trip the GFI and still get power from the left side.
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Post 6 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 04:27
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On October 31, 2018 at 03:14, Mac Burks (39) said...
The outlets are wired independently. I can trip the GFI and still get power from the left side.

Then in that case, yes it’s illegal.

But what Brett said is true. If the electrician did their job correctly, the regular outlet would’ve been down stream of the gfi. And both outlets would trip.

If I were you, I would mention that to a manager.

KOT
Post 7 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 04:37
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When we are talking lower cost hotels, a lot of times you will find they do not have ANY professional contractors they call at all. They have a handyman they call/on staff, that is rarely licensed for anything.
I seriously do not understand how some of these hotels get away with what they do. I have seen some of the most screwed up crap and dangerous things done in hotels.
Post 8 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 07:16
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If it is a chain then report it to corporate. They will probably contact the franchisee.

This happens anywhere and everywhere. One example. Romex buried 3 inches down discovered when you go digging for speaker wires.
Post 9 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 08:10
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On October 31, 2018 at 07:16, thecapnredfish said...
One example. Romex buried 3 inches down discovered when you go digging for speaker wires.

I assume you mean it was not connected to anything? Otherwise, Im not understanding the the issue with it.
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On October 31, 2018 at 03:14, Mac Burks (39) said...
The outlets are wired independently. I can trip the GFI and still get power from the left side.

It's common to have regular outlets behind a single GFI but how would anybody know the above from your first picture?

I think you're back peddling......please attach a picture with a tester in both sides and the GFI tripped as proof ;)
Post 11 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 09:36
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On October 31, 2018 at 08:22, internetraver said...
It's common to have regular outlets behind a single GFI but how would anybody know the above from your first picture?

I think you're back peddling......please attach a picture with a tester in both sides and the GFI tripped as proof ;)

Those can be tripped manually by pressing the Test button.
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OP | Post 12 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 10:55
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I plugged an electric razor charger into the right side and got no power...I immediately plug into the left side and get power. That's when the travel haze wore off and I was like wtf. So then I reset/test a couple times to verify.

Might not have been EBG clear in my first post.
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Post 13 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 11:03
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On October 31, 2018 at 10:55, Mac Burks (39) said...
I plugged an electric razor charger into the right side and got no power...I immediately plug into the left side and get power. That's when the travel haze wore off and I was like wtf. So then I reset/test a couple times to verify.

Might not have been EBG clear in my first post.

I suspect the second outlet was installed after the place was open and they had "their guy" do the work. If they had been installed during construction, they might have used Decora for both.
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OP | Post 14 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 12:49
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On October 31, 2018 at 11:03, highfigh said...
I suspect the second outlet was installed after the place was open and they had "their guy" do the work. If they had been installed during construction, they might have used Decora for both.

My uneducated guess is that it was a switch for an eliminated vanity fixture that got converted rather than capped by one of these guys...

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Post 15 made on Wednesday October 31, 2018 at 13:47
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Mac, you weren't any kind of clear in the first post. You asked "is this legal?"
I thought, why, there's no reason you can't have a standard outlet and a Decora outlet behind the same plate.
I thought, well, it's a HORRIBLE color, but it's not so bad as to be illegal. I think we used to call that Smoker's White.
I thought, that's pretty silly. Obviously the mom and pop hardware store where they bought the parts had somehow picked up a couple of plates that were half Decora and half standard outlet... maybe they got a nickel off for buying that oddball thing.

There was nothing at all about whether the outlet on the left was hot when the right was not.

On October 31, 2018 at 11:03, highfigh said...
I suspect the second outlet was installed after the place was open and they had "their guy" do the work. If they had been installed during construction, they might have used Decora for both.

This doesn't quite make sense. If only the first outlet was installed during construction, a single gang plate would handle the GFI. Adding a second outlet later would have meant drywall work... if there even was a four inch box behind the plate.

My guess is that this has a four inch box behind it with a two gang box cover, so it was originally set up for two devices, and that whoever wired it didn't connect the standard outlet downstream from the GFI as they should have.
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