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OP | Post 31 made on Saturday July 14, 2018 at 13:54
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On July 13, 2018 at 07:52, Fins said...
Why would anyone experiment with another solution if itís not significantly cheaper?

I made the move to Araknis networking, WattBox power and Luma surveillance because of OvrC.

The Snap AV products cost as much or more than the Ubiquiti/Mikrotik, BlueBolt and IC Realtime products I was using before.  In many cases, the Snap AV products aren't even as feature rich as what I'd been using, but for me moving to OvrC enabled products has been worth any trade-offs in pricing/functionality.
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Post 32 made on Saturday July 14, 2018 at 14:00
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On July 14, 2018 at 12:32, jrainey said...
That because Roddy is DM or nothing at all....we mortals have to make do with lesser. I get it but the world is a big place and not all of use have access to enough jobs to the 1%

So far DM has set the standard for sure. For many years JAP has claimed that good enough is good enough. Their product looked like dog log on higher end displays for the longest time. And their reps just shot you so many lines of BS I felt like I was dealing with a slimy used car salesman. Then they could not deal with the extended audio formats, but their line was nobody would use that. Even though many of us were working in systems that did use this.

What troubles me about this Snap unit is so many techs only read the headlines, and not the details. Consumers have access to so many devices that can break the 10.2 gig threshold, and now their TV does not work. This is up their with the marketing speak of "4K HDbaseT extenders, the bandwidth did not change.

I have a team headed up to fix an install Monday where someone only read the headlines. Details matter!!
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Post 33 made on Saturday July 14, 2018 at 14:03
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OVRC has also been a big selling point for us as well. And when I made the first reply, I didnít realize OVRC was part of this product. That does make it very interesting. But on the other hand, itís more importantly HDMI. And HDMI reliability is the most important part. And my experience with JAP has been zero service calls or phone calls. So I donít see that OVRC would add any advantage. Black wire does the setup, it canít get any more simple. So the snap stuff will really have to be proven by others before Iím comfortable to try it.
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Post 34 made on Saturday July 14, 2018 at 14:17
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On July 14, 2018 at 14:03, Fins said...
OVRC has also been a big selling point for us as well. And when I made the first reply, I didnít realize OVRC was part of this product. That does make it very interesting. But on the other hand, itís more importantly HDMI. And HDMI reliability is the most important part. And my experience with JAP has been zero service calls or phone calls. So I donít see that OVRC would add any advantage. Black wire does the setup, it canít get any more simple. So the snap stuff will really have to be proven by others before Iím comfortable to try it.

Fins, I say stick with what you like, use and are comfortable with. Nothing wrong with that!

Snap has to answer to Black Wire providing drivers. Thats a HUGE plus IMO. Snap has got to get a handle on automating the drivers or at least making is easier. I never us premade drivers for video distribution as its not useful enough. Yes, I can start with an existing driver and edit it, but even then its a hassle and not ALL editing is even possible.
Post 35 made on Saturday July 14, 2018 at 15:14
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On July 14, 2018 at 14:17, Ranger Home said...
Fins, I say stick with what you like, use and are comfortable with. Nothing wrong with that!

Snap has to answer to Black Wire providing drivers. Thats a HUGE plus IMO. Snap has got to get a handle on automating the drivers or at least making is easier. I never us premade drivers for video distribution as its not useful enough. Yes, I can start with an existing driver and edit it, but even then its a hassle and not ALL editing is even possible.

Thatís why again I say you need a real control system. With a real control system, premise drivers give two way feedback, allowing the control system to make sure zones change to the correct source. And if it doesnít get the correct feedback from the system, it will issue the command again.
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Post 36 made on Saturday July 14, 2018 at 17:41
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On July 14, 2018 at 14:17, Ranger Home said...
Fins, I say stick with what you like, use and are comfortable with. Nothing wrong with that!

Snap has to answer to Black Wire providing drivers. Thats a HUGE plus IMO. Snap has got to get a handle on automating the drivers or at least making is easier. I never us premade drivers for video distribution as its not useful enough. Yes, I can start with an existing driver and edit it, but even then its a hassle and not ALL editing is even possible.

Plus BlackWire completely programs your J+P system before it ships. So it has a 0 minute programming time. You can send any tech out to the job site to install the product since its fully programmed and labeled with where everything goes.

Also keep in mind we completely design the system as well as provide you support even at night and on the weekend! Huge sports bar is down on a Fri night or Saturday you have someone to help to get thing back up and running.

We have some really cool stuff in the works to make things even cooler :)
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Post 37 made on Saturday July 14, 2018 at 20:15
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Post 38 made on Sunday July 15, 2018 at 09:10
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Iíve been watching this thread very closely since the launch of Binary MoIP on Thursday. The debate around Binary MoIP is great. If anyone questions, needs clarification or would like to provide feedback, please give me contact me directly by phone 704-909-5864 or by email [email protected]. - Brian Holden, SnapAV.

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Post 39 made on Sunday July 15, 2018 at 10:54
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On July 14, 2018 at 15:14, Fins said...
Thatís why again I say you need a real control system.

Come on, you are just saying it to bash another system lol. What do you use and consider a "real" control system? Elan G? Ok, whatever. Good! Use what you know and like. I do the same.

There are 100's of dealers that disagree with your comment TC not being a real control system. Including EVERY one of my clients. But, to each his own.
Post 40 made on Sunday July 15, 2018 at 10:56
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On July 14, 2018 at 17:41, BlackWire Designs said...
Plus BlackWire completely programs your J+P system before it ships.

Yup, thats a GREAT thing. Dealers love that.

Whats the scenario when 6 months later, someone wants to add a source or display? Does the whole driver need redone or is it an easy task? Not asking to be snide, asking because I wanted to know how that's done.
Post 41 made on Sunday July 15, 2018 at 11:08
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On July 15, 2018 at 10:56, Ranger Home said...
Yup, thats a GREAT thing. Dealers love that.

Whats the scenario when 6 months later, someone wants to add a source or display? Does the whole driver need redone or is it an easy task? Not asking to be snide, asking because I wanted to know how that's done.

If there is any chance at all of the system expanding later, you order a switch larger than needed and have Blackwire configure the extra ports for the potential displays and sources. Then when you need to add a source or display, you just order the receiver or transmitter.

Black wire doesnít rewrite the driver each time for customers. The drivers are already built to allow for expanding a system. In Elan all I have to do is name the new zone or source. Actually, the source names itself when I assign the source driver.
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Post 42 made on Sunday July 15, 2018 at 22:36
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IMO, and Iím sorry Kevin if this rubs you the wrong way (it is not intended to) I think the fact that Blackwire touts, designs and even configures JAP has caused a lot of confusion and the thought that itís more complicated then it really is. Donít get me wrong, itís convienent and nice to have one thing taken care of but designing and deploying JAP is one of the easiest things in this industry. And if you canít figure out how to deploy it; Iím sorry; but you donít belong in this industry.

I understand why they offer it, but it just seems like itís also scared a lot of people away. They do it for good customer service and itís awesome the offer the support they do, I just have never said ďgee I wish I had this all done for meĒ out of everything we do, JAP has been the most reliable, consistent and downright easiest thing to get up and running on a job.

I am interested to see the MOIP product. I canít say itís priced that differently from JAP and have really no interest in switching for now, but there are a few features I see that I like.
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