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SONOS with Doorbell Interface
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Post 16 made on Saturday June 30, 2018 at 00:52
Ernie Gilman
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On June 29, 2018 at 19:44, alihashemi said...
Ernie:

This is what I wanted to confirm. If the in/out actually mixes, then we're golden! I like Buzz's ide a as well, I just wanted to have the cleanest solution.

The in/out can mix, or the main in can be ducked. I have to admit I was going for the fastest suggestion without reading the entire manual.
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Post 17 made on Saturday June 30, 2018 at 05:58
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The two suggested devices are both mono, requiring two devices if you want the chime to be stereo.

In any case there will be some irksome details. First, there will be a delay while the amplifier switches ON. Then, you'll have a dickens of a time getting the ducking to track between the two devices if you attempt to have a stereo chime.
Post 18 made on Saturday June 30, 2018 at 07:56
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We use the Niles DBI on most of our projects with Connects and the Sonance 1250 amp that has an AUX input that ducks the music. This is a great solution for us. The DBI will also accept the trigger from a Nest Hello if you use the Nest door chime interface (included with Hello) or from the relay on a Doorbird.

For the OP, how about this: [Link: amazon.com]

or this with no ducking: [Link: amazon.com]
Post 19 made on Saturday June 30, 2018 at 09:01
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What is ducking?
Post 20 made on Saturday June 30, 2018 at 09:36
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On June 30, 2018 at 09:01, Ranger Home said...
What is ducking?

What you should really do when some yells “heads up!” ;)
Post 21 made on Saturday June 30, 2018 at 09:36
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On June 30, 2018 at 09:01, Ranger Home said...
What is ducking?

On commercial paging/mixer amps, and some residential

Sources of music input and a paging/ chime input


Music is always on, yet when a page/chime is played, the device will “duck” / mute the music input, so the page/chime can be heard thru the speakers
Post 22 made on Saturday June 30, 2018 at 20:50
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If you are using a SONOS ONE, you are familiar with "duck". After the wake word is recognized, music Level is reduced.
OP | Post 23 made on Saturday June 30, 2018 at 23:58
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On June 30, 2018 at 07:56, mwstorch said...
We use the Niles DBI on most of our projects with Connects and the Sonance 1250 amp that has an AUX input that ducks the music. This is a great solution for us. The DBI will also accept the trigger from a Nest Hello if you use the Nest door chime interface (included with Hello) or from the relay on a Doorbird.

For the OP, how about this: [Link: amazon.com]

or this with no ducking: [Link: amazon.com]

mwstorch:

So he's looking to expand on the number of SONOS zones in his home and I was planning on putting in a 12-50 amp. I didn't mention this just to simplify the scope of the post.

I originally thought the manual didn't mention if the BUSS sources could be output to a zone in addition to the local source, but I now see that the multiple inputs can be connected to each output! Do you just use BUSS A and then set the switches to LOCAL and BUSS A for each output? Does the amp automatically give priority to BUSS A and duck LOCAL when there is audio on BUSS A?

This would be an awesome solution with the DBI!
Ali Hashemi
Post 24 made on Sunday July 1, 2018 at 08:26
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If you are talking about the Sonamp 12-50, it does not mute or duck anything. The dip switches tell the amp what inputs to use for those channels. You can select 1, 2, or 3 inputs to be active at the same time. At that point it is mixing the inputs.
So you can run doorbell audio into this (or paging audio) but it will just mix in with the music playing. You would have to use a separate ducking module for each source you wanted to mute when the doorbell rang or a page was happening. Unless you just allow the music to keep playing thru.
Post 25 made on Sunday July 1, 2018 at 08:52
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Depending on your skill set and junkbox, there are so many ways of working this out. If you are so inclined, throw a Raspberry Pi at the challenge. The Pi can handle very complex control strategies and be the source of the chime. Hardware costs would be minimal.

In the most basic schemes the power up delay of the amplifier will be an issue. You can work around this with a very small modular amplifier that the experimenters would use in their projects. Switch the speakers to this amplifier while the chime rings -- just pick an amplifier that starts up promptly. Even with all this fuss your hardware costs could be under $100.
Post 26 made on Monday July 2, 2018 at 09:19
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Never wanting to argue with Dave Shafer, Ducking lowers main volume when priority hits. Muting drops main signal completely when priority hits.
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Post 27 made on Monday July 2, 2018 at 12:32
Ernie Gilman
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Fred's got the definitions of ducking and muting spot on.

On July 1, 2018 at 08:52, buzz said...
The Pi can handle very complex control strategies and be the source of the chime. Hardware costs would be minimal.

This is exactly what the software department says when they don't have enough work to keep everyone employed at the moment.

In the most basic schemes the power up delay of the amplifier will be an issue. You can work around this with a very small modular amplifier that the experimenters would use in their projects. Switch the speakers to this amplifier while the chime rings -- just pick an amplifier that starts up promptly. Even with all this fuss your hardware costs could be under $100.

The software department also omits a software labor estimate, just like this.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 28 made on Monday July 2, 2018 at 13:45
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Since this is a project for a friend, I don't think that there will be any accounting for labor. If one is conversant in Pi, this will be a one or two evening project. If one wants to learn Pi, this would be an interesting, simple starter project.
Post 29 made on Monday July 2, 2018 at 15:22
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How about the Niles DBI-2>small amp of your choice>Niles SPK-1(speaker level switcher)?

Use the 12V trigger out of the DBI-2 to activate the speaker switch over....
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Post 30 made on Tuesday July 3, 2018 at 13:54
Ernie Gilman
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buzz,
it's a good idea when doing things for friends to think from the start how quickly it can be done. Who wants to strain a friendship by proposing to do something that takes so long that either or both of you will be strained by the delay between point A and point B?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
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