Your Universal Remote Control Center
RemoteCentral.com
Custom Installers' Lounge Forum - View Post
Previous section Next section Up level
Up level
The following page was printed from RemoteCentral.com:

Login:
Pass:
 
 

Topic:
Longhauling audio from TV using RG6
This thread has 9 replies. Displaying all posts.
Post 1 made on Monday May 14, 2018 at 04:13
crosen
Senior Member
Joined:
Posts:
April 2009
1,262
I need to send audio from a TV to an audio matrix approx 100' away. The TV outputs audio via S/PDIF optical and the audio matrix accepts analog audio.

In the past, I have done this with cat6, using an S/PDIF audio extender to get the audio signal down to the matrix, and then a simple DAC to convert the signal to analog.

However, the only cable I have to work with between the TV and matrix this time is RG6.

I would convert the S/PDIF signal from optical to coax at the TV, except S/PDIF over coax will only go 30' or so.

I think a possible solution is converting the S/PDIF signal to AES3 over coax, which I believe could go the distance. I've never done this, though, and cannot locate the required extender and DAC.

Thoughts?
If it's not simple, it's not sufficiently advanced.
Post 2 made on Monday May 14, 2018 at 06:59
buzz
Super Member
Joined:
Posts:
May 2003
4,376
What format of "audio" are you starting and ending with?
OP | Post 3 made on Monday May 14, 2018 at 08:08
crosen
Senior Member
Joined:
Posts:
April 2009
1,262
Coming out of the TV will be 2 channel PCM, and going into the matrix will be unbalanced analog stereo.
If it's not simple, it's not sufficiently advanced.
Post 4 made on Monday May 14, 2018 at 09:07
highfigh
Loyal Member
Joined:
Posts:
September 2004
8,322
On May 14, 2018 at 04:13, crosen said...
I need to send audio from a TV to an audio matrix approx 100' away. The TV outputs audio via S/PDIF optical and the audio matrix accepts analog audio.

In the past, I have done this with cat6, using an S/PDIF audio extender to get the audio signal down to the matrix, and then a simple DAC to convert the signal to analog.

However, the only cable I have to work with between the TV and matrix this time is RG6.

I would convert the S/PDIF signal from optical to coax at the TV, except S/PDIF over coax will only go 30' or so.

I think a possible solution is converting the S/PDIF signal to AES3 over coax, which I believe could go the distance. I've never done this, though, and cannot locate the required extender and DAC.

Thoughts?

I have used pieces like this, from Skywalker and it works.

[Link: amazon.com]
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 5 made on Monday May 14, 2018 at 09:20
Ernie Gilman
Yes, That Ernie!
Joined:
Posts:
December 2001
30,104
On May 14, 2018 at 04:13, crosen said...
I would convert the S/PDIF signal from optical to coax at the TV, except S/PDIF over coax will only go 30' or so.

What is the brand and model number of the device that sends an S/PDIF signal only thirty feet over RG6? I'd like to see the specs for myself.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
OP | Post 6 made on Monday May 14, 2018 at 09:43
crosen
Senior Member
Joined:
Posts:
April 2009
1,262
On May 14, 2018 at 09:20, Ernie Gilman said...
What is the brand and model number of the device that sends an S/PDIF signal only thirty feet over RG6? I'd like to see the specs for myself.

The limitation is not with a specific converter; it is with the S/PDIF standard itself.

See "Hardware specifications" at [Link: en.wikipedia.org].
If it's not simple, it's not sufficiently advanced.
Post 7 made on Monday May 14, 2018 at 17:03
Brad Humphrey
Super Member
Joined:
Posts:
February 2004
2,598
Spec or no spec, you can go much further than 30 foot with S/PDIF 'EASILY'.

I posted many many years ago about having to use a piece of speaker wire (18awg) to send the coaxial S/PDIF signal from a DVD player to an A/V receiver. That was about 25-35 foot and it worked perfect... over a piece of speaker wire, no converter, just spliced in.

I have also sent the coaxial S/PDIF signal from a bluray over RG59 about 60-70 feet with no problem.

Since I have never personally went 100 feet on RG6 with that kind of signal before, I can't say 100% that it will work. But with all my experience working with it, I can see no reason why it shouldn't work.
Post 8 made on Monday May 14, 2018 at 23:52
Ernie Gilman
Yes, That Ernie!
Joined:
Posts:
December 2001
30,104
On May 14, 2018 at 04:13, crosen said...
I would convert the S/PDIF signal from optical to coax at the TV, except S/PDIF over coax will only go 30' or so.

On May 14, 2018 at 17:03, Brad Humphrey said...
Spec or no spec, you can go much further than 30 foot with S/PDIF 'EASILY'.

That is, the spec guarantees that the signal can go about 33 feet (10 meters, which is 10% more than you specced). But the signal MIGHT go much further.

Try it. If it works, propose to use it for the $#$ it cost you to try it out, or to stick with wiring per the protocol at its cost.

Brad also said
I posted many many years ago about having to use a piece of speaker wire (18awg) to send the coaxial S/PDIF signal from a DVD player to an A/V receiver. That was about 25-35 foot and it worked perfect... over a piece of speaker wire, no converter, just spliced in.

That shows robustness of the signal that's not even hinted at by the spec.

I have also sent the coaxial S/PDIF signal from a bluray over RG59 about 60-70 feet with no problem.

Since I have never personally went 100 feet on RG6 with that kind of signal before, I can't say 100% that it will work. But with all my experience working with it, I can see no reason why it shouldn't work.

That's why I say to try it. If it doesn't work, you have proof that the next best thing to meeting the spec simply won't work.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 9 made on Tuesday May 15, 2018 at 08:07
FreddyFreeloader
Super Member
Joined:
Posts:
April 2004
3,243
We definitely need an all-in-one audio extender that both sends over CAT5e and converts to analog.

Anybody know of such an animal?
Post 10 made on Tuesday May 15, 2018 at 12:38
spoinkster
Long Time Member
Joined:
Posts:
February 2013
27
We have customers with this scenario regularly and use the combination below with great success.

Ethereal CS-D2D to convert optical to coax & CS-DAC to convert coax to analog.
"Enter clever comment here" Paid endorser of Ethereal Products


Jump to


Protected Feature Before you can reply to a message...
You must first register for a Remote Central user account - it's fast and free! Or, if you already have an account, please login now.

Please read the following: Unsolicited commercial advertisements are absolutely not permitted on this forum. Other private buy & sell messages should be posted to our Marketplace. For information on how to advertise your service or product click here. Remote Central reserves the right to remove or modify any post that is deemed inappropriate.

Hosting Services by ipHouse