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Bridging a Sonos Connect Amp
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Post 16 made on Monday May 7, 2018 at 00:53
Ernie Gilman
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This discussion should have been over after Brad's post.
On May 4, 2018 at 19:19, Brad Humphrey said...
It is a digital amp!!! BTL output!!!

When you bridge a stereo amp to mono, the signal goes to one channel; the signal, reversed in phase, goes to the other channel; and the output is taken from the hot terminal of each channel.

A BTL amp is already two amp channels, bridged!

If you design an amp that runs on the twelve volts of a car electrical system, your maximum peak to peak voltage at the output will be twelve volts (minus some diode drops and other small details). That corresponds to 4.24 volts RMS. That voltage, feeding a 4 ohm speaker, results in an output of 4.5 watts.

The classic advantage of, in fact the reason for, bridging amplifiers is that the output voltage of the amp is basically twice that of a single amp channel. That's because when one of those 12 volt amp channels 4.242 volts, the other channel goes down 4.242 volts. The result, 8.484 volts, outputs 18 watts into 4 ohms.

I would say you will fry it but that depends on how well the protection circuit works.

So what happens when you bridge two BTL amp channels? Well, if the two channels have the same signal, then the output plus of each channel tracks the output plus of the other channel; the same for the output minus.

If you then reverse the phase of the signal going to one of the amps, then the outputs of the two amps will be opposite of one another. This is exactly the output that each of the two BTLs amp already have.

So what will happen? If the amps have zero distortion, your bridged amp will work just like the amp did before bridging. If there is ANY distortion, the distortion in one channel will be fed to the other channel to correct its output when it's not the amp creating the distortion. What will happen? I don't know. It won't be an improvement over an unbridged amp.

My experience with SONOS is it will survive, even the silliest installers.

It shouldn't. But it might.
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Post 17 made on Monday May 7, 2018 at 10:00
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On May 5, 2018 at 13:05, Ernie Gilman said...
The first ham shack I was in had a sign on the wall:

TUNE FOR MINIMUM SMOKE

When I first read this for some reason my mind pictured a room full of big bootied mamas. And Earnie.
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Post 18 made on Monday May 7, 2018 at 11:12
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On May 7, 2018 at 10:00, Archibald "Harry" Tuttle said...
When I first read this for some reason my mind pictured a room full of big bootied mamas. And Earnie.

I thought at first at some point Ernie had worked in an old smoke house.
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Post 19 made on Monday May 7, 2018 at 13:54
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On May 7, 2018 at 11:12, Fins said...
I thought at first at some point Ernie had worked in an old smoke house.

Or a club that only hires bad comedians.
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Post 20 made on Thursday May 10, 2018 at 16:03
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I just ran across a spec that ought to make us think twice before believing the specs we read.

An LG speaker bar's subwoofer is rated "360 W RMS total RMS Output Power." Its power supply outputs 25 VDC @ 1.52 A. That voltage and current represents 38 watts if we ignore semiconductor voltage drops.

Man, that is one EFFICIENT amp!
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Post 21 made on Thursday May 10, 2018 at 18:52
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Today I found Boston butts for $3.29 a pound. I thought that was too high
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Post 22 made on Thursday May 10, 2018 at 20:06
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On May 5, 2018 at 12:48, buzz said...
Here's a product idea: Smoke capture and restoration. Everyone knows that smoke enables the electronics world because, when its smoke escapes, the device stops functioning.

What if we could capture that smoke, then re-insert the smoke and make the device functional again? Perhaps this could involve some sort of silver or gold lined, exotic material container.

This would also open the door to discussing "cross smoke" restoration -- injecting the smoke from one device into another device. Of course, the donor device will not function, but will the recipient device sound better?

Welcome to my "smoke enhancement" service.

Hence the term "buzz"
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Post 23 made on Thursday May 10, 2018 at 21:59
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On May 10, 2018 at 16:03, Ernie Gilman said...
I just ran across a spec that ought to make us think twice before believing the specs we read.

An LG speaker bar's subwoofer is rated "360 W RMS total RMS Output Power." Its power supply outputs 25 VDC @ 1.52 A. That voltage and current represents 38 watts if we ignore semiconductor voltage drops.

Man, that is one EFFICIENT amp!

I wonder if they are getting the rating by measuring a short burst of signal.

With large filter caps on the power supply they might get it for a fraction of a second.

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Post 24 made on Thursday May 10, 2018 at 23:38
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An old stereo/turntable/tape deck combo unit with 5 watt output transistors claimed to put out 150 watts IPP. What in the... turns out it was Instantaneous Peak Power.

That was before the federal trade commission establish guidelines on how output power is measured. I am surprised that new sound bar can get away with that. Perhaps they haven't heard of the FTC… yet.
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Post 25 made on Thursday May 10, 2018 at 23:41
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Or maybe there was a report citing a power spec of “36.0” and a clerk erased that stray stray spec of dust, hence “360”.

Edit: spelling

Last edited by buzz on May 11, 2018 02:57.
Post 26 made on Friday May 11, 2018 at 00:19
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I'm sure buzz has got it.




On May 10, 2018 at 18:52, Fins said...
Today I found Boston butts for $3.29 a pound. I thought that was too high

No, that was you.

Couldn't resist.
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Post 27 made on Friday May 11, 2018 at 00:27
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On May 10, 2018 at 16:03, Ernie Gilman said...
I just ran across a spec that ought to make us think twice before believing the specs we read.

An LG speaker bar's subwoofer is rated "360 W RMS total RMS Output Power." Its power supply outputs 25 VDC @ 1.52 A. That voltage and current represents 38 watts if we ignore semiconductor voltage drops.

Man, that is one EFFICIENT amp!

Did you see anything about 360W WLS or 360W JBF?
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Post 28 made on Friday May 11, 2018 at 10:07
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On May 11, 2018 at 00:19, Ernie Gilman said...
Couldn't resist.

You mean couldnt resist posting more useless information? Yeah, we know.
Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.

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