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Yamaha Music Cast and Apple Music. Have you combined them?
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Post 1 made on Saturday April 21, 2018 at 20:51
PSS
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I have a client that wants to upgrade his house. He wants to use Apple Music. I have no experience with Apple Music, so I ask those that do....
The situation is:
New AVR's going in, either Yamaha Aventage or Sony ES.
New Sony Z9 75" in Family Room
New Sony 930 55" in the MBR
New 4K Apple TV's
Directv, not sure if he's going to upgrade to 4K yet
My main question is about the music end of the system. Client wants to use the AVR "app" for music in main zone and zone 2. This is why I'm leaning on the Aventage so it can use the Music Cast app (and not see all the clutter of the AVR app).
So if I use the Music Cast app does anyone know if he can use Apple Music in zone 2 while the main zone is either off or watching something on DirecTV.
Also in using Apple Music, how exactly does Apple Music work? I don't think his wife will be able to use it. I believe you have to press the Air Play icon, then choose where to Air Play too. The list may be confusing (Apple TV's, AVR's, ?). From what I have found it actually Air Plays from the device (i-Phone or i-Pad). If this is true the WiFi has to be great as one moves around the house and if the device say, leaves the network (i-Phone) to run to the store for more booze for the party the music would stop.....correct?
Since I don't have any Apple Music experience I wonder how many button presses and apps will be needed to get his Apple Music up and running with trying to use zone 2 or main zone of the AVR .....
I also saw somewhere that you can only Air Play to one device. So one couldn't Air Play to both AVR's for true "whole house" music if this is true......
I originally quoted using Sonos Connects, multi zone amps for the house music side of the system trying to limit how many apps, screens one has to use to get music going. For those with experience with both how easy is it to use Apple Music from Sonos?
I know this post is pretty long but I need to figure out if I should go any further with this job. I can potentially see a lot of frustration with the client, myself and possibly the wife after this thing is done trying to get Apple Music working throughout the house.
Post 2 made on Sunday April 22, 2018 at 01:32
Brad Humphrey
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1) As you have noticed, 'Apple Music' is not built into MusicCast. They would have to AirPlay it from their phone or tablet. And you have already acknowledged the issues with that.

2) SONOS does have Apple Music as a source. And it would play from the SONOS device instead of being dependent on the phone/tablet controlling it.

I would strongly suggest doing SONOS in this case. And if you use the Sony STR-ZA1100ES or up, you can integrate the SONOS to the Sony easily.
Post 3 made on Monday April 23, 2018 at 21:57
Craig Aguiar-Winter
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Look into Casatunes. The music servers come with different numbers of hardwired zones, and also a number of Airplay zones. You can use any combination of hardwired and AP.

The airplay zones will play into any airplay device and the server will control Yamaha, and any other brands of receiver that ise IP control.

If hardwiring, you can take two of the outputs and connect them to your multizone receiver. It then sees the two zones as completely separate zones and controls them via IP independently of one another. You could locate the server in this room so it can hard connect to the receiver.

Then, if you can't hardwired other zones, use the airplay zones to create additional zones anywhere else in the house using Apple TVs, Airport Express, Airplay equipped receivers, airplay speakers etc.

You can play through the Casatunes app, and then for services not available in the app you can also Airplay into any of the zones from an Apple Device. All of the Zones you create, whether hardwired or Airplay, show up in your Apple Device as devices you can airplay to.

I have a Casatunes system and HEOS both running in my home and have deployed many of each. My wife never even opens the Casatunes app. She only uses the airplay feature on the Casatunes system. (None but me uses the HEOS as the Casatunes system went in first. I just put in HEOS to play and learn it and only have 4 zones.)

In my own home, I have my server hardwired via analogue out to a 12 channel amp for 6 hardwired zones of speakers, and also hardwired via optical to a Denon receiver in my family room (controlled by IP), and finally to two Airplay Zones in my Master Bedroom running on a Denon two zone receiver. The Master Bedroom is handled by the onboard Airplay in the receiver, and an Airport Express connected to the CD input creates an independant Airplay Zone in Master Bedroom ensuite. Both are IP controlled and work flawlessly.

The system has delays you can adjust for when a hardwired zone is next to an airplay zone so that everything plays in sync and there is zero echo with multiple zones running.

I can't list everything it does but it is a very good system and is very well supported for us CIs.

Knowing the little bit you've posted here, I think it could be a good fit.

I googled Casatunes and Apple Music and found a press release that says they support Apple Music. But I've never tried it.

Craig.

Last edited by Craig Aguiar-Winter on April 23, 2018 22:12.
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Post 4 made on Tuesday April 24, 2018 at 07:22
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Brad, now that I have access to Sony I might consider it if it does something really special with Sonos. Can you describe in detail how it integrates with Sonos. I think someone mentioned it turns on to a Sonos input automatically? Does it apply a delay to the Sonos input at all?
Post 5 made on Tuesday April 24, 2018 at 11:09
Brad Humphrey
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Here is a great thread on it:
[Link: remotecentral.com]


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