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Crestron Programming Suggestions
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Post 1 made on Friday June 21, 2002 at 14:43
DeadKen
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Ok,

I'm just about finished with my first BIG Crestron job, and I can tell you this, using the symbolic stuff with SIMPL Windows is a complete pain. I'll do as little of it with raw symbols in the future as possible. I'm sure its great for simple living room type systems, but add any complexity and it gets really horrible.

My question is, how do you guys handle more complex jobs?

Do you just run every TP join into a module? Then have enough outputs to connect to all your devices?

I am considering translating every TP output join into a string and sending to the module. I'm not sure how to handle the module outputs yet.

Before you scream at such an approach, realize one clear benefit of this is that you can easily connect a PC up to a serial port and generate the same input for the module.

Ideas?

Post 2 made on Saturday June 22, 2002 at 16:59
Tony Golden
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I'm not sure *what* your ultimate goal is -- ie, what you want to control, and how do you want it to act/react. With a few more details, I can probably point you in the right direction.

Crestron's Simpl language isn't really as difficult as it seems -- it's just "different". Unlike more common languages (C, etc), it's more "visual". You kind of have to picture what you want to do, in your head, then select the appropriate "symbols" to accomplish that.

Anyway, there's a very helpful Crestron Programmers' group at [Link: groups.yahoo.com]
Post 3 made on Sunday June 23, 2002 at 14:11
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Yeah, you have to think logically about what you want to do, and keep the plan in your head as you go. There are probably a few different ways to go about everyting you want to do. But in general, it's not extremely hard to program. I just wish they had an emulator or a better 'map' of the system rather than the small window you get in Simpl....
OP | Post 4 made on Wednesday June 26, 2002 at 02:26
DeadKen
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I guess that coming from the AMX world I am just dissappointed and frustrated.

I'm not saying SMPL+ is difficult. Just the opposite. Its overly simplistic.

Add that to the horrible E-Vision program and poorly thought out SIMPL Windows and the whole system is a pain.

For example, lets look at E-Vision. Do you really think that this was designed by anyone who really built a system? Why would you put Live Update on the toolbar, yet make showing subpages a forced menu pick? Why should you have to go through so many steps to check and change join numbers for subpages?

Then, when your finally done, you bring it into SIMPL and does it only show legal join numbers? No, of course not. That would be far too useful. It shows you every possible number under the sun. So you have to scroll through a giant list of numbers to connect to the correct one. Do they at least let you name them in E-Vision? Of course not!

Then you move on to SIMPL+. I am writing for a CNMSX-PRO. According to the help file, I should be able to use #DIGITAL_OUTPUT_JOIN etc. But no, you get simple a message saying Errors Found. No notice of what the errors are (Yes, I am running in GenX mode).

So now everytime I change inputs & outputs I have to rewire my module. Jeeze Thanks.

Does Crestron realize what a pain their system is?

Post 5 made on Wednesday June 26, 2002 at 20:08
Matt
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I think it just takes some getting used to. There product is far superior though...
Post 6 made on Thursday June 27, 2002 at 10:12
DesertJason
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C'mon guys. Does control system programming get any easier than Crestron's SIMPL? Especially if you are doing a small system. Take it from me. I program systems all over the U.S. I started out programming small systems and now I do all kinds of stuff all the way the most complex of things. SIMPL WINDOWS is so easy to use. It's not the easiest thing in the world, but it's not rocket science. But think about it, would you want some easily used hokey pokey program used to make your system work? I dont think so. That's why it's called "Custom Electronics."


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