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Pre-wire for long runs of HDMI
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Post 1 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 11:10
GEI
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Weíre getting ready to start a large Home pre-wire. 6 of these tv locations are at 200 feet.
Iím wanting to use 4K Sony and a 4K switch.

My normal pre-wire consists of 1 quad shield RG6 and 2 CAT6 runs ., to each location.

My question is this, what type of fiber is everyone pulling ? Are you using pre terminated fiber or something else ?
Post 2 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 11:19
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Isnít most HDBaseT at 330ft?
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Post 3 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 11:54
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I'd suggest running carlon tubing to each location....
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Post 4 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 13:10
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On February 8, 2018 at 11:19, BrettLee3232 said...
Isnít most HDBaseT at 330ft?

Not at 4K for most
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Post 5 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 13:11
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On February 8, 2018 at 11:54, Fred Harding said...
I'd suggest running carlon tubing to each location....

Fred I love ya.....200 ft of flex with the number of turns to get from point a to point b.....that can almost be a useless endeavor unless you have a midpoint pull location....

There are headed fiber HDMI cables from several manufacturers in the length you need....Metra has one out to 100M....We are including a dark duplex OM3 multimode in prewires for media now as well.
Post 6 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 13:26
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With the volatile nature of HDMI and video distribution conduit is the only option. There are ways todo it without a bunch of 90ís. Use long sweeps, straight runs as long as you can do. If a pull location is a must then just put it in a closet or pantry.
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Post 7 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 13:55
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On February 8, 2018 at 13:26, 3PedalMINI said...
With the volatile nature of HDMI and video distribution conduit is the only option. There are ways todo it without a bunch of 90ís. Use long sweeps, straight runs as long as you can do. If a pull location is a must then just put it in a closet or pantry.

200 feet? And then what are you pulling through there? At 200" I guarantee you are exceeding the pull rating on most everything if it is flex you are pulling through
Post 8 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 14:00
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I wish there was slippery sleeve preinstalled in that carlon flex.
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Post 9 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 14:04
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I've used This Gefen model for 4k around 230ft. Worked great and it has PoL which is nice.

[Link: gefen.com]

SnapAV has This unit rated at 295ft, havent used theSnap ones for 4k yet and i dont think this unit supports PoL, But ive used alot of thier other units in the past and they have all worked great.

[Link: snapav.com]
Post 10 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 15:11
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On February 8, 2018 at 13:55, jrainey said...
200 feet? And then what are you pulling through there? At 200" I guarantee you are exceeding the pull rating on most everything if it is flex you are pulling through

If you're only attaching the pull cord to the end of the cables, you might try taping it at the end, but also at several points along the way. If necessary, tape it from end to end, so it's only pulling the weight from the last tape to the spool. That way, all of the taped points share the tension.
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Post 11 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 15:36
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Fiber
Post 12 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 15:59
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Many cable manufacturers now make armored fiber with however many strands you need. No problems installng this during prewire unless literally chomps through it. It looks like electrical MC wire that they use in commercial buildings with a smooth coating over it.

The bees knees Iíll tell ya. Install a 6 strand and use a pair for av distribution, pair for network and a spare pair in case whatever.

Weíve gone done to doing 1 of these plus 1 rg6, 2 cat6 and speaker cable if necessary.
Post 13 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 20:55
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On February 8, 2018 at 15:59, lippavisual said...
Many cable manufacturers now make armored fiber with however many strands you need. No problems installng this during prewire unless literally chomps through it. It looks like electrical MC wire that they use in commercial buildings with a smooth coating over it.

The bees knees Iíll tell ya. Install a 6 strand and use a pair for av distribution, pair for network and a spare pair in case whatever.

Weíve gone done to doing 1 of these plus 1 rg6, 2 cat6 and speaker cable if necessary.

Which cable are you using? What hdmi to ďwhatever fiber connectorĒ Iím at this point to if conduit absolutely isnít an option. Itís just crazy seeing all the changes in distribution.
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Post 14 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 22:07
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On February 8, 2018 at 13:26, 3PedalMINI said...
With the volatile nature of HDMI and video distribution conduit is the only option. There are ways todo it without a bunch of 90ís. Use long sweeps, straight runs as long as you can do. If a pull location is a must then just put it in a closet or pantry.

+1, conduit is a must these days!! Make sure you charge for it. We've looked like hero's when able to do things with using the conduit
Post 15 made on Thursday February 8, 2018 at 23:59
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Conduit is the best way! If you need pull stations then put them in. There is no other really good solution at the moment and 8K/48gbs is coming!

The "virtually lossless" compression for Cat6 is noticeable. I don't know of a coax solution for 18gbs yet, but theoretically possible. Cat6 is going to have problems at 18gbs without using compression. Fiber can do it now and definitely has the bandwidth needed for 18gbs and 48gbs in the future. The only downside is the extenders are expensive. If for whatever reason you can't use conduit I would definitely pull fiber.

And lastly, conduit!
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