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Getting rid of audio delay on Yamaha receiver
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Post 1 made on Sunday December 24, 2017 at 10:55
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This is a really annoying problem I've noticed recently. There seems to always be an audio delay on Yamaha receivers, whether it's an analogue or digital source, it's always the same. If I have an Sonos connect being shared by the Yamaha and multi-room audio amp connected analogue, I can't get rid of the delay unless I set the amp top direct mode. This turns off surround speakers and subwoofer however. There are are often times when I have a media room adjacent to another room with audio. I could use party mode if the room is powered by Yamaha zone 2 but this adds complications to control and automation.

Why can't Yamaha simply get rid of this delay at least with analogue connections.
Post 2 made on Sunday December 24, 2017 at 12:45
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On December 24, 2017 at 10:55, mrtristan said...
This is a really annoying problem I've noticed recently. There seems to always be an audio delay on Yamaha receivers, whether it's an analogue or digital source, it's always the same. If I have an Sonos connect being shared by the Yamaha and multi-room audio amp connected analogue, I can't get rid of the delay unless I set the amp top direct mode. This turns off surround speakers and subwoofer however. There are are often times when I have a media room adjacent to another room with audio. I could use party mode if the room is powered by Yamaha zone 2 but this adds complications to control and automation.

Why can't Yamaha simply get rid of this delay at least with analogue connections.

Is the source sending an analog signal? If not, use that, rather than digital.

Do these receivers have MusicCast? If so, why use Sonos?
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 3 made on Sunday December 24, 2017 at 17:16
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As part of MusicCast there are a few options to work around delay...

Step one, the AV products (receivers / soundbars), WXA/WXC, MCRN470, RN803 etc all have an option to switch between 'audio sync' and 'lip sync'.
If you're trying to link via a soundbar or theatre receiver - to a speaker in an open plan kitchen, the sound may be delayed.
If it is, switch from 'lip sync' to 'audio sync'.
This will delay the audio in the main room so it's in time with the kitchen speaker.

If this is an audio+visual source, you may see a lip-sync issue on your display.
If this is annoying for this content, switch it to 'lip sync'.


Now, if the products are hard wired, switch them to 'speed boost' via the MusicCast app. 'Standard' will have a delay, but it works well with WiFi, 'stability boost' will have a large delay and should only be used where WiFi is dodgy... and if that's the case I'd assume you'd be installing an AP anyway.


If you're just using the standard 'zone 1' / 'zone 2' feature of a Yamaha AVR, then 'party mode' gets rid of the delay, but it switches everything to all channel stereo.

Other things that reduce delay, taking off extraneous audio processing.
Using analogue sources over digital sources.
Planning a system where two zones are so close to each other that it's almost pointless to install them.
This industry is not getting cheaper and cheaper, we're simply convincing ourselves that we have to push the cheapest option to customers.
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Post 4 made on Monday December 25, 2017 at 00:43
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On December 24, 2017 at 10:55, mrtristan said...
This is a really annoying problem I've noticed recently.

Yeah, me too, I've noticed a problem. But not the problem the OP described.
And forgive me, I'm going to do just what I'm complaining about: I'm going to answer about something the OP didn't ask about.

It's really annoying when probably well-meaning members here apparently don't notice the ACTUAL subject of the question. Instead they go off as to how to set up some other kind of equipment.

That is, as in a case here, the problem is with a Sonos system. THAT THE CLIENT ALREADY HAS. He gets a bunch of MusicCast advice. Detailed. But irrelevant.

Can we please at least say "no, that problem can't be solved" before going on to other products?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 5 made on Monday December 25, 2017 at 02:03
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You misread the problem, Ernie.
The question is... "getitng rid of audio delay on Yamaha receiver".
The fact the OP mentioned Sonos is a red-herring.
The source could be a CD player.
It could be a turntable.
That's not the point.

The issue is delay with multiple Yamaha pieces of kit, not with the Sonos. The Sonos is simply the source into a multi-zone receiver.

The OP notes: "If I have an Sonos connect being shared by the Yamaha and multi-room audio amp connected analogue, I can't get rid of the delay unless I set the amp top direct mode."

In other words, when the Sonos is the source, connected to the Yamaha via RCA = delay.
Connected via digital = delay.
The work arounds are 'direct' or 'party mode' but they make it tricky to automate.

I've noted that setting the MusicCast implementation is baked into the Yamaha AVR's, meaning that it will alter how the receiver handles multiple zones, whether using the MusicCast app - or not.

Choosing 'audio sync' in MusicCast makes the issue go away when the Sonos source is connected.
This industry is not getting cheaper and cheaper, we're simply convincing ourselves that we have to push the cheapest option to customers.
#makesonosgreatagain
OP | Post 6 made on Monday December 25, 2017 at 08:24
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What if the amp in the adjacent zone (say Kitchen next to Great Rm media zone) is a part of a multi-room amp and not zone 2 of Yamaha receiver, can the MusicCast options get rid of delay so that there is no audio delay at all on the main zone? That is simply what needs to happen. Party mode doesn't work in this case because it only syncs yamaha main zone and zone 2. Overall there is still a delay relative to the analogue audio source.
Post 7 made on Monday December 25, 2017 at 15:28
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So there's a Sonos feeding the Yamaha and a Sonos feeding the multi-room amp?
Or one Sonos Connect feeding both the Yamaha and the multi-room amp?

If it's either of these elements, then no, the issue sits with Sonos not outputting in-sync with itself.
If you connect the Zone 2 pre-out to the multi-room amp then yes, you can fix it by selecting 'audio sync' in MusicCast. If you can't... then see point above.
This industry is not getting cheaper and cheaper, we're simply convincing ourselves that we have to push the cheapest option to customers.
#makesonosgreatagain
Post 8 made on Tuesday December 26, 2017 at 07:12
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Doesn't Yamaha have a Party mode that synchs the audio in both zones?
Post 9 made on Tuesday December 26, 2017 at 14:54
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On December 26, 2017 at 07:12, musictoo said...
Doesn't Yamaha have a Party mode that synchs the audio in both zones?

On December 24, 2017 at 10:55, mrtristan said...
If I have an Sonos connect being shared by the Yamaha and multi-room audio amp connected analogue, I can't get rid of the delay unless I set the amp to direct mode. This turns off surround speakers and subwoofer however.

Turning off the surround mode is not desired. That implies that turning on Party Mode is not desired.

There are are often times when I have a media room adjacent to another room with audio. I could use party mode if the room is powered by Yamaha zone 2 but this adds complications to control and automation.

...and using Party mode makes control more difficult.

Why can't Yamaha simply get rid of this delay at least with analogue connections.

Good question. I always thought the delay was a result of signal processing and I assumed it was video processing. Let's back up to the simplest input of all: do Yamahas do this with the built-in FM tuner? Do they do it with an analog audio-only (for instance, CD) input?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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