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CAT7 Use -- are you there yet?
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Post 16 made on Friday December 22, 2017 at 09:51
Fins
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On December 22, 2017 at 01:50, Ernie Gilman said...
It could be to assist in doing business...
In addition to their main stuff, they probably need good networking for the DMV office that resides within the doors, as well as the AAA office, not to mention the Subway and Starbucks. The 24 hour service department (maybe that's just the Toyota side) and the two acres of cars stored underground...

Of course, it could just be, as someone said, just a case of the salesman falling for another salesman's pitch!

*Penske Motor Group

I know government is wasteful, but I dont see the DMV needing anything close to that type of connection to file a registration and tag info. I still think it was a salesman playing to their ego. "Youre number 1, you need a number 1 network".

Especially when you consider no one else is using cat7 and its not a standardized rating any way.
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Post 17 made on Saturday December 23, 2017 at 17:54
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I have a takeover project starting on Jan 2 with Cat7 run everywhere. The home is a little over a year old, and we are ripping almost everything out and installing a real control system, 4K distribution, replacing 21 cameras, 10 Zigbee locksets, etc.
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Post 18 made on Saturday December 23, 2017 at 18:03
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I'd just use fiber if I need something faster than Cat6.
Post 19 made on Saturday December 23, 2017 at 18:36
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1 Its Penske and no decision on that level gets made without careful and very detailed research/discovery/information phases.

2 The automotive industry is all web based software and every user has AT least 4 to 5 programs going at once, all the time, all damn day.

3 A dealership that size has an enormous web presence and a boatload of people that sell cars and spend very little time on the floor, if they even see it in a weeks time.

4 Communication internal and external must be Johnny on the spot at all times with redundancy.

I am amazed at how bandwidth hungry the place I work at now is and we are very small.
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OP | Post 20 made on Saturday December 23, 2017 at 18:45
Ernie Gilman
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Fins, what he said.

We must never let our experience and knowledge convince us that we still have huge masses of inexperience and ignorance.
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Post 21 made on Saturday December 23, 2017 at 19:05
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On December 23, 2017 at 18:36, Hi-FiGuy said...
1 Its Penske and no decision on that level gets made without careful and very detailed research/discovery/information phases.

2 The automotive industry is all web based software and every user has AT least 4 to 5 programs going at once, all the time, all damn day.

3 A dealership that size has an enormous web presence and a boatload of people that sell cars and spend very little time on the floor, if they even see it in a weeks time.

4 Communication internal and external must be Johnny on the spot at all times with redundancy.

I am amazed at how bandwidth hungry the place I work at now is and we are very small.

Ok, that said though it seems like the smart decision would have been to use fiber. I can’t think that the price difference would have been a factor for Penske, especially given the size of this dealership.
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OP | Post 22 made on Saturday December 23, 2017 at 22:41
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Fiber to every desk?
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Post 23 made on Sunday December 24, 2017 at 15:48
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I’m failing to see the need for cat 7 through the dealership. The bottleneck in the dealership will always be the internet feed in and or the switching.

I work for a property management company dealing with wireless internet/cellular towers. We sold the wireless internet division recently but shortly before we did that division moved into a new office. We ran cat5 through the office building for the workstations, displays and phones, longest run under 200 feet.

We have maybe 125 users on the network during the day locally. Our NOC, residential and corporate customer service, reception, admin, special projects and executive team all work in this building. Our switching is all fibre 10g however our servers and storage appliances are cat6, we are using aggregated and redundant connections for this but regardless our bottleneck has been and always will be our outside connections.

We started with a 100mb connection and it was very useable but from a techie point of view it needed a bump. Once we started feeding customers locally we bumped the speed to 1gig and it’s more then adequate. Outside of HDMI uses I fail to see the need for cat 7 and at that point as soon as you consider HDMI stop playing around and run fibre.
Post 24 made on Wednesday January 3, 2018 at 03:14
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Having a 10G to ever desktop really makes no sense. Nobody needs that type of connection to access the internet or an internal server to write up a sales order. I could understand if they had some type of in house graphics department uploading many Gigs of photos and videos to a server but something like that would most likely be 1 or 2 computers and would be better off run direct fiber.
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