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CAT7 Use -- are you there yet?
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Post 1 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 12:29
Ernie Gilman
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Based on the progress of standards, we all should be using CAT7 by now, but the only place I've yet to see it being installed is a huge Lexus dealership here in the Los Angeles area.

Are you guys using CAT7 for house network wiring yet? Where are you in the process of changing to it? Do you see CAT8 on the horizon yet (I don't). Just wondering.

This came up when a client's LG TV manual stated that if the TV is to be connected to the LAN, CAT7 should be used for the cabling.
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Post 2 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 12:46
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I went through this with a customer...
He ended up using CAT6a after the research on both of our ends.

Found this online while hunting:
"On the other hand, Cat6a is the most recent standard developed by the TIA for enhanced performance standards for twisted pair cable systems. The TIA does not recognize Class F Cable. They never developed specifications for Cat7 cables and they don’t plan to. They’re skipping ahead to Cat8"

This made me think twice on the choice, as well as locating the
the ends and also trying to even find wall plate considerations.

It may change but, i'm not seeing that happening...yet.
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OP | Post 3 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 12:50
Ernie Gilman
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I also found this --
On December 21, 2017 at 12:46, chicagoinstaller said...
Found this online while hunting:
"On the other hand, Cat6a is the most recent standard developed by the TIA for enhanced performance standards for twisted pair cable systems. The TIA does not recognize Class F Cable. They never developed specifications for Cat7 cables and they don’t plan to. They’re skipping ahead to Cat8"

But it was in an article from 2014 or 2013, so I don't know that it's really valid any more. While I'm at it, curses on the idiots who publish information on changing technology without putting their publication date at the top of the article. This one did, IIRC.
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Post 4 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 13:05
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Search for recent articles and the mention of being not being recognized is still being stated. July 7, 2017

[Link: fiber-optical-networking.com]

Overview of Cat7

Cat7 ethernet cable is not currently recognized by TIA/EIA, but it is designed to support 10G Ethernet with distance up to 100 meters.
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Post 5 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 13:29
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CAT7 is big overseas like Europe. Different standards I guess.
Post 6 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 19:47
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​I just researched all this earlier this year. I know my memory is going but what I found was = Cat6a "is" Cat7.

​Cat7 is an ISO standard and used outside of the USA.

TIA/EIA is an American organization and they didn't want to recognize the Cat7 moniker. They recognize Cat6a as the standard.

​They both have the same performance specs.

​I agree, it is a jumbled mess of BS. Because organizations can't agree or you have someone disagree and a create their own organization, then blah blah blah.
Post 7 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 21:20
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"I thought everything was wireless now? "

I couldn't resist.
Post 8 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 22:57
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Why would a car dealership need that type of network? I know we shouldn’t ever sell a customer short of potential, but at the same time, thinking they would need a 10g Network seems a bit ridiculous. Sounds like someone over sold them to bump up the price.
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Post 9 made on Thursday December 21, 2017 at 23:13
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On December 21, 2017 at 22:57, Fins said...
Sounds like someone over sold them to bump up the price.

Doesn't it warm the heart to think that a car dealer bought the step up?
Post 10 made on Friday December 22, 2017 at 00:25
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On December 21, 2017 at 23:13, buzz said...
Doesn't it warm the heart to think that a car dealer bought the step up?

LMAO, when you put it that way, yes it does.
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Post 11 made on Friday December 22, 2017 at 00:49
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I hope they got the service contract
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Post 12 made on Friday December 22, 2017 at 00:57
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On December 21, 2017 at 23:13, buzz said...
Doesn't it warm the heart to think that a car dealer bought the step up?

Customer: I sat right here and said I didn't want no TruCoat!

Jerry: Yeah, but I'm sayin', that TruCoat, you don't get it and you get oxidization problems. It'll cost you a heck of lot more'n five hundred--
OP | Post 13 made on Friday December 22, 2017 at 01:50
Ernie Gilman
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On December 21, 2017 at 22:57, Fins said...
Why would a car dealership need that type of network?

It could be to assist in doing business...
PMG's* flagship store, Longo Toyota, is the world's largest dealership and the #1 Toyota retailer in the U.S. since 1967. Longo Lexus serves as the #1 Lexus dealership in the Western U.S. since 1990 and Longo Scion ranks as the #1 Scion store since the brand's inception in 2003.

In addition to their main stuff, they probably need good networking for the DMV office that resides within the doors, as well as the AAA office, not to mention the Subway and Starbucks. The 24 hour service department (maybe that's just the Toyota side) and the two acres of cars stored underground...

Of course, it could just be, as someone said, just a case of the salesman falling for another salesman's pitch!


*Penske Motor Group
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Post 14 made on Friday December 22, 2017 at 08:55
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On December 21, 2017 at 21:20, Hasbeen said...
"I thought everything was wireless now? "

I couldn't resist.

"Well, can't you just....?".
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Post 15 made on Friday December 22, 2017 at 09:03
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CAT7 uses individually shielded pairs plus an overall shield and terminated with a special design RJ45 (GC45) or a TERA connector. It's primary market is europe, where they have adopted a shielded product as the standard. Last time i looked Siemon was the only major manufacturer offering a CAT7 system. The TIA skipped CAT7 and went straight to CAT8, many manufacturers have been talking about releasing products, we have yet to run across it with any of our data center contractors, who would typically be the first to spec it into a build.
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