If they want to avoid problems, they should install cameras and mics in some designated meeting rooms- it doesn't need to be as harsh as a police interrogation area, but the DVR has enough storage or someone should be tasked with saving all meetings (time and date stamped) to a folder with admin privileges given to one or two people who have been well-vetted. It wouldn't need to be only the small rooms, general meeting/conference rooms could have this, too- it's not hard to believe that meetings with a strong gender imbalance might include some comments that would be offensive.

A friend's company had a meeting for this before 1994 and it was a pretty tight-kit group- they could say what was on their minds and would often hang out after hours for dinner, drinks & other activities that usually included wives, girl/boyfriends, husbands and other friends. After they'd had a few, things were said but they all knew it was in fun. Not more than an hour after this meeting, he walked out of his office and saw one of the administrative assistants on her hands and knees, looking through some files that were spread out on the floor. so he said "That's what I like to see- a woman on all four". The manager of that branch immediately yelled "In my office, NOW!" and my friend said "Geez, Mike, it was a joke". The women had said similar things and it was a great group but I never heard of problems with it at that office, only the others in different parts of the state.

I hear you, but don't have a fly off the cuff reaction either.

If a client makes any kind of advance, tell them it's inappropriate. If you're alone in the house and concerned, call her husband, or leave. Maybe it's my years in the business, but it's time we put our foot down on somethings.

As to a daughter in the house, you may have to consider saying, no that may not be appropriate in this current media state. Would you like to reschedule, or take her with you?

Times are changing. It used to be men were expected to be the macho jock, bet you don't see any Old Spice commercials for awhile. No one really knows how this is going to play out.

Not to derail this conversation but I think this type of hypersensitivity causes other issues down the line. If men cannot make any kind of advance towards a women, how do the initiate a date or a conversation? If they don't feel comfortable doing so, then what? More internet porn? AI porn? We are heading down a path were things are going to get very weird fast. Human nature is to mate and procreate. If men feel like they no longer can make efforts to do so, I fear more mental health issues will pop up. Much like how the internet, social media, and video games has caused desensitivity, narcissism, and sociopath's (IMO). This has led to more and more mass shootings.

I'm not trying to be insensitive towards women who have been sexually assaulted but there is a HUGE range of what people are calling sexual assault. If I guy grabs a women's butt, she needs to have the self confidence to tell the guy to never do that again. It shouldn't have to go beyond that. If the guys misses that stop sign again, he should be charge. To pull a Mike Pence and say you cannot ever sit next to a women without your wife present is JUST INSANE. But I've said it before, men are not looking to be a friend with another woman. They are just waiting for a window of opportunity to open! LOL

People should also dress in a way that it does not encourage impropriety. Dressing in a way that says "I want you to look at me but of course don't touch" is not appropriate. Not politically correct I suppose.

I have a friend who is the female singer in a small group that plays in clubs. Her observation in that setting is that the female initiates and controls the contact.

I was taught at a young age to respect women, keep your mouth shut about what you think of them in front of your buddies, and your hands off. That could potential be someone else's wife 8>0

I am sure the "old way" of men doing things is over....good

Will it completely stop? probably not


Is Bill Clinton shittin his pants about now......????

I doubt it. Trump and George Cop-a-feel Bush haven't been punished yet. Looks like presidents are immune.

So how many inches above the knee for a "you can think of me while you masturbate but please don't rape me" skirt?

You're watching too much porn.
Things like that don't happen in real life that often.

Bren, I think it's different in office settings than it is for us in the field.

For one, client controls whether or not you're in her house.
If you say something inappropriate she can ask you to leave or at the very least not schedule next visit.

Beyond that, unless you get picked up by the cops while at an appointment, chances are you're fine.
Seriously, if you were that inappropriate, why didn't she call the cops on you? If there is no allegations of restraint, kidnapping or rape, you're fine.

I've been thru all sorts of training in corporate world as it relates to inappropriate behavior and sexual harassment.
My personal opinion is that in a lot of cases is an opportunistic crime, meaning if someone didn't get the promo they wanted or pay raise they feel like they deserve, calling wolf is a way to try to force the hand.

Yup, I'm the same way.

Since I stopped following news back in 1998-ish, I got called my friend to turn on the news on 9/11 before I was contacted by family.
Several times since, someone told me about massive earthquakes around the world or tsunami Asia, but like you said, it didn't affect my personal bubble or the local area/economy where I live/operate.

As callous as it may seem, floods in Huston or events in Puerto Rico have no impact on me.
I check here or call buddies from affected areas (most recently Fins, who BTW still hasn't called me back), but outside of that, there is little I can do or offer.

So should men be allowed to go shirtless at the beach?

Looking down the road here:

At some point one or more men are going to agree that their behavior has been inappropriate and they're going to go for sympathy somewhat like the Menendez brothers did: have mercy on us, we're orphans.

The new thing will become "that was that atmosphere when I grew up, and it's all I knew, it's all I had as a pattern, and I, the sexual predator, am a VICTIM of the times in which I grew up."

This is coming as sure as the general business plan for companies these days is to get ten bucks, just ten bucks, from EVERYONE.

Meanwhile, the idea of innocent until proven guilty has been wholesale thrown out the window.

And what will the legal system do for you and me if we are accused? There's an outrageous and sad track record in this regard.

Look up the Duke LaCrosse team case. Look up McMartin Preschool. All accusations, lives ruined, no truth to the accusations.


And

Unfortunately the way the laws are written, the old saying of "Innocent until proven guilty" is NOT true.

Not when Tom is around.