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Saving net neutrality
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Post 16 made on Monday November 27, 2017 at 22:00
Sean@iTank
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On November 27, 2017 at 21:37, Ranger Home said...
I say lets limits ALL cars to only 55 mph because there are poor souls that just cant afford cars that can go 150 mph.

Its interesting that anytime opposing views are expressed, the first, and only fall back is "your partisan, you only watch the WRONG news". REALLY???

What exactly is the right news? They are ALL whacked.

You didn't express any opposing views related to the topic.

There isn't a road in the United States that doesn't have a speed limit. And nearly every car on sale has a speed limiter built in.
OP | Post 17 made on Tuesday November 28, 2017 at 08:02
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there is nothing wrong with having an opposing viewpoint. But like reviews on amazon I want information, not just this product sucks. I started this tread to allow people who want to oppose new FCC rules to have a voice, not start a debate. If you are OK with the FCC new rules, OK. Just move onto the next thread that interest you.

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Post 18 made on Tuesday November 28, 2017 at 08:58
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On November 27, 2017 at 16:31, Sean@iTank said...
What are you talking about!? This has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare/ACA! Again, you are being distracted by loaded language meant to appeal to your emotions on an irrelevant, completely unrelated issue. Don't let partisan politics cloud your personal judgement on this issue.

I've yet to see a single statement in these threads that presents a factually supported argument for repealing these rules. Every rebuttal and post in support of repeal is "but Obamacare and stuff" or "socialism!"

I think you are the one letting your emotions get in the way.....

Its completely relevant as anything government touches or regulates eventually if not immediately costs the consumer more.
Post 19 made on Tuesday November 28, 2017 at 08:58
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On November 27, 2017 at 22:00, Sean@iTank said...
You didn't express any opposing views related to the topic.

There isn't a road in the United States that doesn't have a speed limit. And nearly every car on sale has a speed limiter built in.

Engine control systems have a rev limiter, to save the engine from damage caused by runaway RPM. It's not for controlling the speed of the car and no rev limiter will reduce a car's speed to the speed limit (some would be double the speed limit, or more).
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 20 made on Tuesday November 28, 2017 at 09:04
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On November 27, 2017 at 16:33, Sean@iTank said...
I mean guys, these rules have been in place for years now. What exactly do you think is wrong with your access to the Internet today that repealing these rules will improve in any way whatsoever?

For years now implies more than 2.5 which is how long its been in effect. Whats wrong with service is the speed and reliability thats delivered. Theres no competition and no reason for an ISP to offer better reliability or speed. Theres not more options, theres less or the same which means stagnant growth. The free market always prevails and wins.

I encourage you to site one government controlled industry that promotes free market values and competition.
Post 21 made on Tuesday November 28, 2017 at 15:32
Ernie Gilman
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On November 28, 2017 at 09:04, TAAVS said...
For years now implies more than 2.5 which is how long its been in effect.

If your number is right, the rules have been in place for 2.5 years. But the rules were put in place to keep things the way they were instead of allowing ISPs, for instance, to do what they started to do a few years ago: slow traffic from competitors' sites.

So the "new" rules were not for a new situation, they were to maintain what had been happening but was doomed due to ISPs' willingness to screw their customers in order to control whose content they watched.

Another approach would solve the problem -- make it illegal for ISPs or the companies that own them from creating content. That's worse than a non-starter in this modified free market economy that we mostly have.


I've been wondering for at least ten years what would happen to the internet when everybody was streaming video all over the place. I thought maybe a second internet might be born, just to separate streaming uses from non-streaming uses.

What's wrong with service is the speed and reliability that's delivered. There's no competition and no reason for an ISP to offer better reliability or speed. There are not more options, there are fewer or the same, which means stagnant growth.

This is a very important point, with the exception that internet is available in my area via DSL and cable and even satellite, so there are distinct tiers of service available based on the capability of the technology and its associated cost. Right now cable is the way for me to go.

But can you imagine any company being willing to run their set of cable TV cables alongside another company's, so that two cable company services are available in an area? I have to believe that the cost of infrastructure is so huge that a cable company would insist on a monopoly in an area that they wire, to ensure payback of the infrastructure cost.

The free market always prevails and wins.

No, it doesn't. Where's the free market when I don't want to buy my water from the city? There's no free market there. And I'm guessing there are laws as to water quality, Detroit notwithstanding.

Certain things must be monopolies and certain industries won't participate without guaranteed success. This is not the free market. It's the water, gas, power, telephone (to the home)... and internet.

I encourage you to site (well... cite) one government controlled industry that promotes free market values and competition.

Right.
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Post 22 made on Tuesday November 28, 2017 at 23:14
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Chasing Ernie's post count, one useless post at a time.
Post 23 made on Wednesday November 29, 2017 at 08:35
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The first thing that will happen is ALL Kodi type plugin sites will be blocked.

"We do not and will not block, throttle, or discriminate against lawful content." -Comcast
THE most important word in their statement... lawful.

Why isn't Netflix defending neutrality? Cause while they or we may end up paying the ISP more for traffic, they win more with the illegal video's being blocked.

And then onto bit torrents, etc.
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Post 24 made on Wednesday November 29, 2017 at 09:02
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On November 28, 2017 at 23:14, FP Crazy said...
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exactly
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Post 25 made on Wednesday November 29, 2017 at 10:40
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don't forget about porn! If porn streaming becomes a target, there are going to be a lot of unhappy women in this universe. (They might have to start putting out again)
Chasing Ernie's post count, one useless post at a time.
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