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Caseta "Extension"
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Post 31 made on Tuesday November 14, 2017 at 03:05
Mario
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What's retail on the select dimmer?
Post 32 made on Tuesday November 14, 2017 at 19:38
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On November 3, 2017 at 11:27, 3PedalMINI said...
Wow, Who the hell pissed in your wheaties yesterday, did I strike a cord with some obvious lutron frustrations your harboring?

First of all bud, this is all for MY HOUSE. Its important to familiarize your self with products. As someone who just got married and in the midst of a house renovation its important to save some money where I can. When the performance of caseta does everything a panel or "ra2 select" could why not save money? explain me that, I would love to understand why im making a huge mistake by doing what im doing-For MY house let me add.

Killing it because I keep a probridge on the truck and 3 lamp dimmers. If I see a client during an install that I think could be a candidate for LC I throw it in as a demo for 45 days. 9 out of 10 times they finally understand what all the talk of LC is. This is when I switch them into C4 lighting. thats where my 1000's come from. Because it takes me less then 3 minutes to deploy that its basically free advertising. Sorry my DIY gateway pieces are putting money in the bank for my family.

you should keep a select repeater and 3 Ra2 dimmers!!

Lutron is undermining their own company with offering caseta and not offering an upgrade path. unless this has changed if a client has a previous caseta system installed (electronics are installing them more frequently in kitchens even) you have to rip it all out if you sell them RA2 select. Completely stupid. The fact that someone can get 3 caseta switches for less then the cost of one dimmer that doesnt frustrate you? some people dont care about aesthetics, or plain stupid. They get a quote from you for a kitchen with ra2 select, then get a simple quote from the electrician or another integrator for 1/3 the price for a product that does 95% of ra2 who are they going to go with? No because you seem dense, I will add that I DO NOT quote caseta for anything other then a small system or media room where were hitting a budget. Other then that its normally C4 lighting that goes in.

Ridiculous!! this is like saying Toyota is undermining their own company by not offering an upgrade path from a corolla to a Lexus LC500!!!! They are two totally different brands, two totally different market segments.

See above.

No, I have no problem selling lighting control system. My market supports it. What I do have a problem is ripping out product that works perfectly fine. I rather a client keep that money in their pocket or to put that into an upgraded projector, TV, Speakers, Amps etc. I make more money on those products then I do on lighting anyway.

If you are having to rip out product as your clients upgrade, you ARE selling the WRONG product! that is all on you.

It saves the money over a main repeater, generally someone that can afford ra2 can give a shit about saving ~200 bucks. Why limit yourself by putting in a ra2 select repeater when the Main Repeater can do so much more, seems stupid. They should have dropped the cost of the switches to come in between Caseta and RA2, limit those to ~50 devices, then IF they want to expand then you have to replace the Select bridge with a main repeater, then update the switches. We ALL KNOW every product in lutrons lineup could be compatible with one another, they just limit it via software.

not arguing with that logic, but they didnt, so sell accordingly......

No, But after your post I grabbed a beer. Absent minded folks in this industry is what give us great integrators a bad name. wether you like it or not the industry is rapidly changing and evolving. there will be a time when C4/Crestron/Vantage/Lutron HAVE to bring the cost of LC down.
I love supporting product that supports me!
Post 33 made on Tuesday November 14, 2017 at 20:52
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On November 14, 2017 at 19:38, edizzle said...
Ridiculous!! this is like saying Toyota is undermining their own company by not offering an upgrade path from a corolla to a Lexus LC500!!!! They are two totally different brands, two totally different market segments.

No, but if Toyota decided to start selling a $10,000 car at Walmart that looks very similar to the corolla and has all the same features as the corolla but has a top speed limited to 70mph, Toyota dealers would be pissed.
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Post 34 made on Tuesday November 14, 2017 at 21:01
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On November 14, 2017 at 20:52, Fins said...
No, but if Toyota decided to start selling a $10,000 car at Walmart that looks very similar to the corolla and has all the same features as the corolla but has a top speed limited to 70mph, Toyota dealers would be pissed.

Wait, a Corolla costs more than $10,000 and goes faster than 70mph?
Post 35 made on Wednesday November 15, 2017 at 00:09
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On November 14, 2017 at 20:52, Fins said...
No, but if Toyota decided to start selling a $10,000 car at Walmart that looks very similar to the corolla and has all the same features as the corolla but has a top speed limited to 70mph, Toyota dealers would be pissed.

not quite. 3ped would be like the walmart dealer complaining that their "corolla like" model is not upgradable and does not have the features of the $20k corolla that the dealers sell. your example is the other way around..............

no one here selling ra2 and higher is complaining about caseta intruding on their sales. the complaints were, why the ENTRY LEVEL model cant do things that the higher end model does. why cant the ENTRY LEVEL model be upgraded later to be the higher end model.
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OP | Post 36 made on Wednesday November 15, 2017 at 08:09
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You guys are so Lutron blind your not understanding what I am saying here. Clearly Iím not explaining this right. I AM NOT SELLING caseta in anything other then budget theaters or kitchens. We have a electric supply house that pushes caseta (used to be RA) to a lot of electricians. My area has a lot of renovations and electricians are installing caseta in droves. 7/10 jobs I look at are getting caseta.

Mainly because it helps them by not having to run an3way circuit for a kitchen or other rooms. You know as well as I do Iím called in to late to pitch lighting control as itís already been speced.

Honestly explain to me how in that situation would you say hey! My lighting is better then theirs because they look better? Yet it does the same things! Worth $180 a switch more? Hey! Letís take that savings since itís already been Aloted with the electrician and put that towards a Small Aperature System. Letís lose their Pico and Iíll teplaxe with a keypad that can be engraved!

You guys are just not getting it, this ďWalmart SystemĒ is truely powerful and not that much different from RA2 select. If you saw caseta in a house already would you say letís rip it out? Or say my control system can control that, we can do some cool things with it! In my case since I donít see the switches and using keypads to activste scenes what am I losing out? Seriously, nobody has been able to explain to me why itís wrong for MY house and system?

I am frustrated not that caseta canít be expanded, but yet frustrated that IF a client has a caseta system in their home I canít say hey weíre getting close to your limit, letís move you to Select, we can still use your current switches but the new ones will be part of the RA line. I think why Lutron is doing it is because nobody will see the difference between the two switches, end users are dumb. They will say ďthis is $180 a switch and it does exactly the same thing as my 54.95 switch from LowesĒ?!?! It just ďlooks nicerĒ?

I donít know about areas other then the PHL market, BUT Lutron has been advertising caseta on HGTV and is a sponsor of This Old House. You know as well as I do that as soon as they see caseta quoted or in the aisles it will click!
The Bitterness of Poor Quality is Remembered Long after the Sweetness of Price is Forgotten! - Benjamin Franklin
Post 37 made on Wednesday November 15, 2017 at 09:07
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I have never seen a Caseta system installed.
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