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So, if I find an ATSC modulator that has HDCP 1.3, what limitations would I have?
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OP | Post 16 made on Saturday October 14, 2017 at 03:12
Ernie Gilman
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On October 13, 2017 at 23:26, sirroundsound said...
I have used the PVI 4 channel modulator to run to a variety of TV's (15 of them) throughout a large home that had been wired 20+ years ago.

Did you use ATSC or QAM?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 17 made on Saturday October 14, 2017 at 10:28
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ATSC
At the TV end I treated the signal like an off air channel.
Cable box 1 for example was set to channel 10.1
Post 18 made on Saturday October 14, 2017 at 11:41
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On October 13, 2017 at 22:51, davet2020 said...
We have a few M3B systems installed. Most of the systems we have done combine an OTA antenna ....
M3B transmitters are installed at the rack and set to a channel. That signal is then combined with an OTA signal and sent through out the house. M3B receivers are installed behind the TVs.

??? SO you are installing 2-way splitters behind ever TV? Because that is the ONLY way what you are describing can work. Since the M3B can not tune a OTA signal.
OP | Post 19 made on Saturday October 14, 2017 at 15:07
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On October 14, 2017 at 10:28, sirroundsound said...
ATSC
At the TV end I treated the signal like an off air channel.
Cable box 1 for example was set to channel 10.1

I hate to have to point out a technicality, but this IS a technical discussion:
So you use the PVI modulator in ATSC mode but you have cable boxes, which receive QAM. Hmmm. Interesting.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 20 made on Saturday October 14, 2017 at 22:06
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On October 14, 2017 at 15:07, Ernie Gilman said...
I hate to have to point out a technicality, but this IS a technical discussion:
So you use the PVI modulator in ATSC mode but you have cable boxes, which receive QAM. Hmmm. Interesting.

One has nothing to do with the other.
QAM is coming in on the coax to the cable boxes. He can choose to use QAM or ATSC for his own generated cable system in the house. He chose ATSC, which would allow the mixing of OTA signals if desired.
OP | Post 21 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 02:31
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On October 14, 2017 at 22:06, Brad Humphrey said...
One has nothing to do with the other.
QAM is coming in on the coax to the cable boxes. He can choose to use QAM or ATSC for his own generated cable system in the house.

Then TVs still exist that allow the selection of both modulation methods. The TVs I know about, at least for the last few years, can't change from receiving ASTC to receiving QAM, or vice versa, without deselecting the current mode and doing a complete channel scan. "Let's check that single QAM channel!" "Okay, I've got twenty minutes!"
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 22 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 05:31
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On October 15, 2017 at 02:31, Ernie Gilman said...
Then TVs still exist that allow the selection of both modulation methods. The TVs I know about, at least for the last few years, can't change from receiving ASTC to receiving QAM, or vice versa, without deselecting the current mode and doing a complete channel scan. "Let's check that single QAM channel!" "Okay, I've got twenty minutes!"

I read that as QAM feed is direct to cable box. Cable box output is then modulated in ASTC.

Sometimes it pays to ensure you have fully understood the answer before launching into technical inadequacies your perceived answer throws up, especially when deciding to add sarcasm into the mix....
What do you mean you wanted it on the other wall - couldn't you have mentioned this when we prewired?
Post 23 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 12:28
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You are trolling now Ernie.
It was very clear that the generated house cable system is only 1 type = either QAM or ATSC. He chose ATSC.
OP | Post 24 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 23:13
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On October 14, 2017 at 03:12, Ernie Gilman said...
Did you use ATSC or QAM?

This was the first mention of his modulation method.
On October 14, 2017 at 10:28, sirroundsound said...
ATSC
At the TV end I treated the signal like an off air channel.
Cable box 1 for example was set to channel 10.1

Let me tell you what this said to me.
First, he tells us what modulation scheme he's using, then he says what he does at the TV end. Then, presumably still talking about the TV end, he mentions a cable box... which is presumably also at the TV end.

Hell, maybe he was just doing what we all do: we clearly envision what we're talking about but we don't express details well. Maybe he means that he takes the OUTPUT of the cable box and ATSC MODULATES it as Channel 10.1. That would make sense but if that's what he meant, it wasn't clear.

On October 15, 2017 at 05:31, Nick-ISI said...
I read that as QAM feed is direct to cable box. Cable box output is then modulated in ASTC.

Yeah, so like I said. I just didn't see it.
Sometimes it pays to ensure you have fully understood the answer before launching into technical inadequacies your perceived answer throws up, especially when deciding to add sarcasm into the mix....

I don't see how to ensure that. You have to take what you understand and deal with things at that level.

Thanks for the clarification.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 25 made on Monday October 16, 2017 at 11:01
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What is the saying about wrestling a pig in the mud...
Post 26 made on Monday October 16, 2017 at 11:32
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All that was asked is if I was using QAM or ATSC.

"2 Cable Boxes, DirecTV and Apple TV are the feeds to be shared."
is something I also had in my post.

Nothing about "also" having cable boxes at each TV. So I don't think there should have been any confusion.
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