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Post 16 made on Wednesday October 4, 2017 at 13:50
Brad Humphrey
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On October 4, 2017 at 11:03, edizzle said...
When you are talking this many receivers, you cannot do it with a SWM LNB. the maximum number of tuners on a SWM LNB is 21, and that was just recently released. IF you need more than that you need to use a 4 wire LNB to a SWM Switch.

???
You quoted & responded to a post made to Neurorad. Nothing to do with the original poster and what he is doing.
Post 17 made on Wednesday October 4, 2017 at 23:55
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On October 4, 2017 at 04:28, Brad Humphrey said...
You must be using a SWM LNB, as the HR44 only works with SWM. And a HR44 can NOT power a SWM LNB, the system has to have a power inserter.

So if you are saying that you had a HR44 hooked straight to a SWM LNB and it worked for a year... WTF! Because theoretically that can NOT work. It just can't.

So sorry. It's an HR54, not HR44. HR54 is supposed to power the LNB, but because of distance, needed an inserter.
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Post 18 made on Thursday October 5, 2017 at 08:14
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The initial problem with the OP is the design. The system should have a polarity locker, amplifer and taps to feed 4 SWMs. You can only loop one
SWM to another SWM.

Rebooting receivers and SWMs are unfortunately something that has to be done with large systems. SWMs and receivers loose communication but a reboot will re-establish the communication.

We maintain many large commercial hotel systems in the mid-atlantic region. One property in DC has over 1200 receivers on the system. It is crazy working on a system that size. With a system that size there is constant problems with it. The manager complained to me that they have to reboot close to 20 receivers a day. When I explained to him that because of the number of receivers in the system that is like rebooting a receiver once every 60 days.
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Post 19 made on Friday October 6, 2017 at 01:18
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On October 5, 2017 at 08:14, davet2020 said...
The initial problem with the OP is the design. The system should have a polarity locker, amplifer and taps to feed 4 SWMs. You can only loop one
SWM to another SWM.

Rebooting receivers and SWMs are unfortunately something that has to be done with large systems. SWMs and receivers loose communication but a reboot will re-establish the communication.

We maintain many large commercial hotel systems in the mid-atlantic region. One property in DC has over 1200 receivers on the system. It is crazy working on a system that size. With a system that size there is constant problems with it. The manager complained to me that they have to reboot close to 20 receivers a day. When I explained to him that because of the number of receivers in the system that is like rebooting a receiver once every 60 days.

Correct and all in the document I posted. Everyone here that works with direct should read it.
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Post 20 made on Friday October 6, 2017 at 01:19
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On October 4, 2017 at 13:50, Brad Humphrey said...
???
You quoted & responded to a post made to Neurorad. Nothing to do with the original poster and what he is doing.

I’m not sure what your point is? I quoted and responded to a post......... Am I missing something?
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Post 21 made on Friday October 6, 2017 at 08:30
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On October 6, 2017 at 01:19, edizzle said...
I’m not sure what your point is? I quoted and responded to a post......... Am I missing something?

lol, yes you are.
But not important now, got to go do a service call.
OP | Post 22 made on Wednesday October 11, 2017 at 14:37
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On October 6, 2017 at 01:18, edizzle said...
Correct and all in the document I posted. Everyone here that works with direct should read it.

I would like to read it. Do you have a link for me?
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Post 23 made on Wednesday October 11, 2017 at 16:05
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On October 4, 2017 at 00:12, edizzle said...
LOL!!! I did forget the link.

[Link: manuals.solidsignal.com]

All of it is good info but you need pages 16 17 18
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Post 24 made on Thursday October 12, 2017 at 15:52
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I've wondered where to find information like that. Thanks, google:

[Link: blog.solidsignal.com]
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Post 25 made on Thursday October 12, 2017 at 19:13
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Thread hijack sequence initiated.

I went up yesterday to a long time client's cabin 2 hours from here to replace all 7 of the ancient DTV HR22 receivers they had. 1 died, and we decided it was best to replace all of them at one time.

We put in their place 4 HR24 and 1 HR54 with 2 C61 clients. Existing infrastructure was upgraded in 2012 to a SL5 LNB (needed at that time, but now I believe a 3 would suffice) powered by a Sonora inserter, split into 2 SWM-8. From there, there is an 8 port SWM splitter and a 4 port SWM splitter attached, respectively, to each SWM-8. 4 receivers were connected to the 8-way, and 3 to the 4-way.

I took with me, a SWM 21 LNB and a single 8-way SWM splitter, anticipating replacing the existing hardware (this was recommended by the local DTV dealer we purchase equipment from). Dish is on the peak of the roof above the second story. Not ideal at all, and when it began snowing and raining when I arrived, I decided against going up there.

I replaced the dead HR22 with a HR24, ran through the setup, contacted DTV to activate, and all was well. I proceeded to connect the remainder of the receivers, got them all activated, and things seem to be functioning fine. On my way home, I told the boss that it all worked without having to replace the other parts. He told me that the dealer said things would probably work mostly, but issues would likely arise when trying to view recorded programs on the clients. I am not sure the reasoning behind this.

My guess is that maybe the 2 SWM-8 do not "talk" to each other? And if I were to have placed the HR54 on one SWM-8, and 1 or both of the clients on the other, maybe they would not communicate? At any rate, I was smart enough to put the genie and clients on one SWM-8 and the 4 HR24 on the other. No need for whole home DVR here. 4 HR24 are in "private quarters" with no need for viewing between them or the HR54 for that matter.

Sooooo......is there any benefit to going back to replace the LNB with the 21 tuner SWM LNB, yanking the Sonora PID, splitters and SWM-8s and simplifying the hookup? Would it be just as well to replace only the SWM hardware with a SWM16, and leave the LNB as is?

Many ways to skin this cat. Which is best? What would you do?
"When I eat, it is the food that is scared." - Ron Swanson
Post 26 made on Thursday October 12, 2017 at 21:12
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On October 12, 2017 at 19:13, Audiophiliac said...
Thread hijack sequence initiated.

I went up yesterday to a long time client's cabin 2 hours from here to replace all 7 of the ancient DTV HR22 receivers they had. 1 died, and we decided it was best to replace all of them at one time.

We put in their place 4 HR24 and 1 HR54 with 2 C61 clients. Existing infrastructure was upgraded in 2012 to a SL5 LNB (needed at that time, but now I believe a 3 would suffice) powered by a Sonora inserter, split into 2 SWM-8. From there, there is an 8 port SWM splitter and a 4 port SWM splitter attached, respectively, to each SWM-8. 4 receivers were connected to the 8-way, and 3 to the 4-way.

I took with me, a SWM 21 LNB and a single 8-way SWM splitter, anticipating replacing the existing hardware (this was recommended by the local DTV dealer we purchase equipment from). Dish is on the peak of the roof above the second story. Not ideal at all, and when it began snowing and raining when I arrived, I decided against going up there.

I replaced the dead HR22 with a HR24, ran through the setup, contacted DTV to activate, and all was well. I proceeded to connect the remainder of the receivers, got them all activated, and things seem to be functioning fine. On my way home, I told the boss that it all worked without having to replace the other parts. He told me that the dealer said things would probably work mostly, but issues would likely arise when trying to view recorded programs on the clients. I am not sure the reasoning behind this.

My guess is that maybe the 2 SWM-8 do not "talk" to each other? And if I were to have placed the HR54 on one SWM-8, and 1 or both of the clients on the other, maybe they would not communicate? At any rate, I was smart enough to put the genie and clients on one SWM-8 and the 4 HR24 on the other. No need for whole home DVR here. 4 HR24 are in "private quarters" with no need for viewing between them or the HR54 for that matter.

Sooooo......is there any benefit to going back to replace the LNB with the 21 tuner SWM LNB, yanking the Sonora PID, splitters and SWM-8s and simplifying the hookup? Would it be just as well to replace only the SWM hardware with a SWM16, and leave the LNB as is?

Many ways to skin this cat. Which is best? What would you do?

you should have taken the new swm30 multiswitch. it is like a swm 16 but is 4k compatible and has 30 tuners. it allows you to keep a 4 wire lnb.
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Post 27 made on Thursday October 12, 2017 at 22:51
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I do not need 30 tuners now nor 4k. A swm16 will also let me keep the 4 wire lnb. I guess to simplify my question, would it be better to use swm16 or replace lnb with SWM lnb?

And would I gain much over the existing setup with either of the above options?
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Post 28 made on Friday October 13, 2017 at 07:57
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On October 12, 2017 at 22:51, Audiophiliac said...
I do not need 30 tuners now nor 4k. A swm16 will also let me keep the 4 wire lnb. I guess to simplify my question, would it be better to use swm16 or replace lnb with SWM lnb?

And would I gain much over the existing setup with either of the above options?

SWM 8, 16, 32 have been discontinued.
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Post 29 made on Friday October 13, 2017 at 12:13
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On October 13, 2017 at 07:57, edizzle said...
SWM 8, 16, 32 have been discontinued.

Ok. Looks like I can still get one if I wanted to. So then, keep the SL5 and add the SWM30 or replace LNB with 21 tuner unit and a single 8-way splitter? What does this do for me over the existing dual SWM-8 setup aside from simplifying the connections at the head end?
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