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Eero or Netgear Orbi with SONOS in SONOSNet Mode?
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Post 16 made on Wednesday September 27, 2017 at 20:07
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On September 27, 2017 at 19:22, Don Heany said...
Any insight as to what “Reseller permit number” as requested on sign up is? EIN#?

Sales tax permit number. Resale certificate. You do collect and pay sales taxes?

EIN. Employer Identification Number. Aka your business social security number or yours
Post 17 made on Thursday September 28, 2017 at 14:20
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not to be a dick but if your not sure what an EIN/Reseller Permit number is you probably shouldn't be running a business.
The Bitterness of Poor Quality is Remembered Long after the Sweetness of Price is Forgotten! - Benjamin Franklin
Post 18 made on Friday September 29, 2017 at 05:44
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On September 28, 2017 at 14:20, 3PedalMINI said...
not to be a dick but if your not sure what an EIN/Reseller Permit number is you probably shouldn't be running a business.

So, it’s the EIN- thanks!
Post 19 made on Friday September 29, 2017 at 13:34
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On September 29, 2017 at 05:44, Don Heany said...
So, it’s the EIN- thanks!

EIN & Reseller Permit are 2 different things
Post 20 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 15:15
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On September 25, 2017 at 17:29, danieljanderson said...
What benefits come from the eero pro portal?

The new dealer management portal, not yet released, will let you control the logins and manage all the Eero you set up.

It's not free - they are talking about a $150/year charge, but to sweeten it, they give you the ability to upgrade all your clients systems to the subscription features for free.

That's the enhanced security/monitoring stuff they are charging retail $10/month per customer.

It's their way of creating margin for Pro dealers (and themselves, at retail). YMMV - No comment here on that, but the management portal, unlike other dealer programs, will not be free.

In the mean time, I still avoid using a cellphone number as the login. I always create a dummy email account (gmail or other) only to manage the client Eero network and I share the login with the end-user. (I put the "recovery contact" in gmail account as myself so I can always get back in even if the client's kid screws it all up.)

Most clients don't do a lot of fiddling and are happy with having the login even though the 2FA sign-in will arrive via email and not SMS so it is a little more annoying to authenticate.

When the management portal is finally released, I'll reconsider but this way I'm not hostage to their fees and fairly rigid "their way or the highway" (oops, I did comment anyway) view of things.

Oh, I ALWAYS use Eero in Bridge mode as a mesh AP-only solution. Their router features are worse than existing consumer products and really shouldn't be used.
Post 21 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 16:19
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Why do you guys use them?
What's better than the Snap stuff, Mikrotik or even ubiquity?
Post 22 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 17:28
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On October 15, 2017 at 16:19, Mario said...
Why do you guys use them?
What's better than the Snap stuff, Mikrotik or even ubiquity?

Do you use Sonos?
Post 23 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 19:19
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On October 15, 2017 at 17:28, goldenzrule said...
Do you use Sonos?

No, not a single one. Why?
Post 24 made on Sunday October 15, 2017 at 19:23
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On October 15, 2017 at 19:19, Mario said...
No, not a single one. Why?

Seriously?
Post 25 made on Monday October 16, 2017 at 07:02
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On October 15, 2017 at 19:23, goldenzrule said...
Seriously?

Yeah, why?
Post 26 made on Monday October 16, 2017 at 14:38
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On October 16, 2017 at 07:02, Mario said...
Yeah, why?

It may be the only product that I install for people that on a regular basis causes them to smile and speak in superlatives.

It is one of the few products on the planet that works like it is supposed to.

In the rare case of a failure, I can get an advance replacement with a 10 minute or less phone call. I also get a return label emailed to me to ship the defective back.

It is one of the few products in the work place that has brand recognition, and sells itself.

Because people like it so much, they tend to recommend it and me to their friends.

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Other than that, I really can't think of any good reason why I should be selling it.
There is no truth anymore. Only assertions. The internet world has no interest in truth, only vindication for preconceived assumptions.
Post 27 made on Monday October 16, 2017 at 16:19
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On October 16, 2017 at 14:38, tomciara said...
It may be the only product that I install for people that on a regular basis causes them to smile and speak in superlatives.

It is one of the few products on the planet that works like it is supposed to.

In the rare case of a failure, I can get an advance replacement with a 10 minute or less phone call. I also get a return label emailed to me to ship the defective back.

It is one of the few products in the work place that has brand recognition, and sells itself.

Because people like it so much, they tend to recommend it and me to their friends.

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Other than that, I really can't think of any good reason why I should be selling it.

+1,000,000
Post 28 made on Monday October 16, 2017 at 20:36
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Eero was the first to market with the new generation of true mesh technology - and it works extremely well and the company is easy to do business with.

If you have cat6 cable everywhere and can run multiple access points backhauled over cat6, then you don't need a mesh. Any of your favorite brands of reliable Wi-Fi gear will do the job.

But if you need the ability to do true mesh with both wireless and wired backhaul, a single SSID for the entire network, and reasonably good automatic handoff as you move around the property, the Eero is a great choice.

However, as I said earlier, I wouldn't use it for routing. Put them into bridge mode and use them as pure AP's not routers or router/AP combos.
Post 29 made on Tuesday October 17, 2017 at 10:41
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On October 16, 2017 at 20:36, SpivR said...
However, as I said earlier, I wouldn't use it for routing. Put them into bridge mode and use them as pure AP's not routers or router/AP combos.

I had a situation recently where I was getting erratic speeds, rather large variations when it was in bridge mode behind an Xfinity gateway.

The Eero tech recommended bridge mode for the gateway, and let the Eero do the routing. In this case he was right, and the wifi became more stable.

Depends on the router?
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Post 30 made on Wednesday October 18, 2017 at 13:45
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On October 17, 2017 at 10:41, tomciara said...
I had a situation recently where I was getting erratic speeds, rather large variations when it was in bridge mode behind an Xfinity gateway.

The Eero tech recommended bridge mode for the gateway, and let the Eero do the routing. In this case he was right, and the wifi became more stable.

Depends on the router?

Xfinity/Comcast sucks!

Always put Xfinity into bridge mode and then use a real router.

Since Eero is not a great router, with Xfinity you still want to use a separate router. This setup I use is:

internet > Xfinity bridge > REAL ROUTER > Eero bridge mode

For "Real Router" I suggest Luxul, Ubiquity, Cisco, etc.

For cost savings, I have also deployed Synology 2600AC (with Wi-Fi turned off) as the router. It is easy to manage and has some good added value features - primarily VPN modes.

Some consider Synology consumer and not pro, so YMMV, but in all cases, put the Eeros into bridge mode.

Eeros are bad routers because:
Eeros have limited address reservation table size
Eeros have no web console - you gotta do everything on a tiny smartphone or tablet screen
Eeros have no easy "backup" and "restore" of configurations - it is all "auto-magically" controlled by the cloud.
Eeros have problems if the Internet is down - sometimes cannot authenticate or login to the Eeros unless the Internet is working or you have cellular internet on your device

Over time, either Eero becomes a real router, or the professional routers get their mesh support up-to-snuff and Eero goes bye bye in the pro channel.

With Eero's only PoE solution a horrible "strap-on" kludge, and more of their effort in the add-on software subscription stuff (the consumer security option), I'm not convinced they really want pros in the long run.

When the management portal is released, we'll get a better idea of which way they are headed (ignoring the $150 hit for dealers to even get to use it).
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