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+4.

This is the only way this will work if the customer has TV service. Others have tried numerous options to figure out ports etc to forward and it doesn't work nor is it worth the effort.

Every Fios install is done as stated above.

If you want to move the Fios router to the rack you can. That is where mine typically are or in a wall cabinet in the equip room.

1) Plug an Ethernet from Fios Router into Wan of your router.
2) Let your router pull a dynamic IP address from Fios Router.
3) Go into Fios Router and go to advance settings. I do a DHCP reservation for the IP address of your router listed. I then change the IP address to 192.168.1.2 (Fios Lan is always 192.168.1.x)
4) On Fios Router Go to firewall settings on and put 192.168.1.2 in the DMZ.
5) On Fios Router Go into WiFi Settings and turn off 2.5 and 5ghz radios.
6) reboot your router to ensure its pulling the new IP address.
7 You are done.

Double Nat is not an issue. Now if Fios Router craps out, which eventually it will, the customers will loose internet access but their internal network will be running just fine. Just happened to me on a new install. Customer got a Fios router that died within a month. Then have to rinse and repeat steps 1-5.

Maybe you ought to put your router in DMZ?

Double NAT what's the fear? I'm running a Pakedge router double NAT off of a Mikrotik router. Everything works just fine...streaming, calls, remote access, cameras, control system checkins and updates, vpn tunnel to control system, and porn (so I hear).

DMZ. Ive got probably 20 jobs with this for years. Give your router a static WAN that is the same address as the DMZ setting in the FIOS router. Put your router on a different subnet. I use Pakedge routers with multiple VLANS ( usualy.2,.3 and .4 so I gige the PAKEDGE router a LAN address of .9

ok i guess that answers it.

You can do it without the Fios router if you use a MoCA adapter. Ethernet from the ONT to your/customer's own router. Coax from the ONT to a splitter with at least one more port than the number of STB's. MoCA adapter plugs into one of the LAN ports on the router (or a downstream switch) and one of the ports on the splitter.

Basically:

 --------                                        ------------
 |        | --------Ethernet -----------| WAN      |
 |        |                                         |              |
 | ONT |                                         | Router  |
 |        |                     ---------       |              |
 |        |                     |         |-----| LAN        |
 |        |                     | MoCA |        -----------
 |        | ---Coax------|          |
 |        |        |            ---------
 --------       |
                   |
                 STBs

Did this several months ago and would work for a while then crap out. Repeated several times.
Also the caller id doesn't work.

This will work FOR A WHILE. with Verizon's new software OS it HAS to see the verizon router first. If it does not, It will not receive any updates and will eventually not work.

Well that sucks. The STB's are checking to see that they're behind a Verizon router?

I've had lots of issues with the Verizon routers. They haven't been very stable for me.

How come you mention to put my router on a diff subnet? What does this accomplish?

What subnet do u typically set for the verizon router and then for other router. I have my network gear, switches, controller, access points etc already configured for 255.255.255.0 I'd hate to have to change all that. What if i left it alone and just set verizon to 255.255.254.0 or something? Also I was curious... say u left both routers on 192.168.1.1, .... being that they are on diff subnets this wouldn't cause an ip conflict? And lastly, say they are set to diff ip's and diff subnets... 192.168.1.1 and 255.255.254.0 for verizon, 192.168.1.2 and 255.255.255.0 for my router..... which ip am I using for the default gateway on individual devices? Sometimes i set them to gateway address, then just set gateway to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4

Step 3 doesn't seem right to me... setting a dhcp res for the mac address of my router on its DHCP IP but then set it to static right after that?? You set a static or a DHCP res not both generally.

Anyways so in this setup which router ip is the gateway? the fios one at 192.168.1.1 or my router at 192.168.1.2 and also which router for the port forwarding setup? or duplicate port forwarding settings in both?

Most routers will balk if you attempt to assign WAN and LAN on the same subnet. Some will complain if you attempt to assign 192.168.anything to the WAN and LAN ports. Generally, I'll assign 10.something to one side and 192.something to the other side, but there are other choices. FIOS routers that I see default to 192.168.1.1. Comcast routers usually default to 10.0.0.1. I usually leave these alone because FIOS and Comcast support will assume these addresses. If your customer calls FIOS or Comcast support, one of the first steps will be to reset the router. If my network can use the default IP addresses, there is a good chance that the customer can at least use a browser, even if the control system can't tolerate the setup.

Lately, I've noticed that some of the ISP support staff will first check to see if their router default setup has been modified in some way, then avoid blindly resetting their router. This is a good development and suggests that I should change the default router subnet as a flag to support -- keep out or tread carefully.


The second router is a client of the first router. The first router is a client of a router at the ISP. For most purposes the second router is nothing special as far as the first router is concerned. Your LAN devices are clients of the second router and should use the second router as their gateway address. 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are DNS servers at Google, not Gateways.

A DHCP reservation takes a DHCP address and makes it"static" i.e. Fixed always based on the MAC address of the device. This way your device is set to receiving its address always via DHCP, which always ensures no conflicts, proper gateway assigned, proper DNS assigned. When setting DHCP reservations initially, you will get a randomly assigned IP address via the router, like a normal DHCP device, but you then can go in and change it to another open address you want. This can also be outside of the assigned LAN range.

Going to the second question, the gateway of "your router" is the WAN address of the Fios router. If you use DHCP reservations it doesn't matter since your router will automatically pick up that info. For all the other devices connected to your router, their gateway will be WAN address of your router. Again if you use DHCP reservations, for any devices connected to your router than needs port forwarding, you wouldn't need to worry about entering any info manually in the device, since it will pull its info via DHCP.

No one has said to change the subnet mask of either the verizon router or your own. Sounds like you're getting confused here, both should be 255.255.255.0

Verizon LAN= 192.168.1.1- 192.168.1.254, DHCP is usually 1.100- 1.254.

Your router= WAN IP 192.168.1.X (X can be anything but 1, I usually do 2, STB's
will pull in a DHCP address from verizon router so check the DHCP
pool on the verizon to double check you don't have a conflict)

LAN IP 192.168.X.1 (X can be anything but 1)

yes they did. I quoted the post above where it was mentioned to do that.