Currently client has internet only. Cat 5e ran from ONT to provided router. So the ONT only has the ethernet jack activated currently I assume as there is currently no coax connected to the ONT coax jack.


I plan to relocate router to the rack. So i ran new cat 6 from the ONT to the rack. I also wanted to use my own router. After researching this I see swapping routers isn't quite that easy as the boxes need MOCA to pull on demand and guide. But i'm reading conflicting and confusing info as to how to do this.

So how are you guys doing this when you use your own router? It looks like i'll either need to use this router (in bridge mode i assume) as a moca adapter along with my own router (how to avoid double nat??) or use a dedicated separate moca adapter.

I will be installing 3 cable boxes as well.
If i kept the original router as the MOCA adapter I can't just run ethernet only from the ONT into it then feed coax out of that, split it and run them directly to cable boxes can I? I figure I probably need to have coax out of the ONT itself, then use a 4 way splitter. One to moca, then coax to each cable box?

Easiest way to do it. Leave everything as is. Install CAT6 from Verizon router to where your own router will be.

Get into Verizon unit and give yourself a static ip and set your up for DMZ.

Ya but then my router essentially becomes a switch and defeats the whole purpose. I want my router to be the main router. At most the actiontec becomes a secondary router but i'd prefer to ditch it all together and just use a MOCA adapter if I can.

Here is what I'm thinking in my head out how this probably is done. Ethernet from ONT to my router in rack. Coax as well from the ONT to splitter on house. Coax from splitter to all 3 tvs and also coax to a MOCA adapter that I have plugged into my switch in the rack. Cable boxes then receive ethernet thru MOCA, guide works, on demand works.....then I throw his original router in the trash.

is this correct?

When I did some research a few months ago into Verizon fios. I read that either the coax port works, or the Ethernet port works, not both.

I still don’t know if that is fact or not though.

If you have access to a Verizon fios ONT that has tv. Plug in a router to the Ethernet to see if it pulls an IP. If it does, in theory it should work that is if Verizon allows it.

KOT

i believe both can work simultaneously however you CANNOT have data over both simultaneously.

[Link: dslreports.com] found this post. kind of breaks it all down and links to more faqs for more in depth info.

basically its wired as i figured in post 3. use both coax and ethernet on ONT to accomplish the goal i desire.

Why would your router essentially become a switch?? You can still use your own router.

Hell, if the customer is willing to pay for you to sit on the phone all day to make sure Verizon changes all the correct settings for the account and for them to give you all the port info you need to forward, then great.

I've spent some time to try and do the work arounds that you are thinking, it's not worth it in the end. Granted this was about 1.5-2 years ago though, so may have changed, but I haven't heard that it did.

Because in that setup the verizon router is still the primary and you also run into double NAT issues unless you go lan to lan for connection and my router basically becomes a switch.

I am installing a legit network in this home. To do all that and then be sitting behind that $hit service provider freebie gateway.... well its like buying a lamborghini then using a honda 5 horse for the motor. Like dropping a 100k crestron system in the home then making the client use the remote that came with the cable box. It's just retarded.

The BEST way to do this is to have the Verizon router first. Keep it hooked up the way it is presently connected to the ONT. Step 1: Factory default it. Then connect your router's WAN to the Fios router's LAN. Put your router on a different subnet than the Verizon stuff and also put your router in the Verizon DMZ. This is the only way to GUARANTEE that the fios guide and on demand will work properly at all times (Ive seen it work for a while then go wonky). One other thing, IF the Verizon router is not first in line, You will NOT get any software updates and the boxes will slow down over time. (The only devices on the "Verizon" network should be the STB's and your router)

If the customer has had Verizon out in the last 6 months to a year, the Verizon router's internet feed is likely coming from the Ethernet port on the ONT. Their new procedure is to connect ALL routers with Ethernet now.

On the Coax side, You are correct that all STB's have a coax connection as well as the router.

Let me know if you have any more questions on this.

EDIT: We also do this same procedure with Comcast

yes as stated router is connected to ethernet port on ONT.

If you visit this thread it breaks down the pros and cons of numerous connection methods. [Link: dslreports.com]

Connecting as you state results in Double NAT however. Your way is number 2. Must port forward both routers. Option 8 seems like the best way to have all functionality if you want all the features and user router first. Option 7 also being acceptable in this install because he won't have a dvr or care about caller id on display. The box update part you mention is interesting. I wonder if that is truly correct or if they will update as long as they are seeing ethernet thru moca. Didn't know these $hitty cable boxes even did updates. I realize the sat boxes have for ages but figured the cable ones were just still to antiquated. These are motorola qip 7100 2 models.

Another thing. These have ethernet ports on them. You'd think you wouldn't even have to bother with MOCA if the boxes had ethernet ports to get ethernet data. WTF?

Some of my customers are very pleased with TIVO rather than the Verizon STB. You don't need the Verizon router. TIVO provides its own MOCA.

Good luck

I spent hours and hours trying all the various setups you can find out on the Internet to allow using another router in a FIOS setup.

Long story short - the only thing that worked was putting the second router on the DMZ of the FIOS router.

All FIOS features still work and you only have to worry about the configuring the second router.

No real downside.

Frederick

This is what we're trying to get across to him. Our countless hours don't help I guess.

Being double NAT'd isn't the end of the world either. Plenty of ways to work around that.

Just DMZ your router off of the Verizon one