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Post 1 made on Sunday June 11, 2017 at 20:32
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The setting is a private family campground with 4 RV hookups. The D-Marc (phone, tv, electric meter, power distribution, etc) is located at the road edge of the property about the middle of the lot. Then the 4 RV hookups are parallel to the road, then center of the lot is a picnic shelter, cooking area. The lot is 1 ac, slightly longer than wide. About 250 x 150. Wifi access needs to cover all 4 RVs, and the picnic shelter. Wire can be run to any and all RVs, although it will be a pain. It would be harder to run anything to the center shelter. Currently, phone and TV are fiber service from local phone company. Each RV has a single cat feed for the cable box, and mounted at the D-Marc is a project box that houses the UPS to power the fiber termination from the phone company. Phone goes from the D-Marc to RV 2, and other RVs use cordless handsets.

What's the best way to get WiFi coverage on this situation? Price is an issue because the one footing the bill is used to staples prices, even though they can afford real product. And no, I'm not going trying to explain difference in quality and cost in this case. I need something that would keep the average person that can figure out how to connect their appleTV to the wif happy.

Here's a rough diagram of the lot if it helps

[IMG][/IMG]
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Post 2 made on Sunday June 11, 2017 at 22:27
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Eero? Or your favorite mesh network :) Seriously though, I've had great luck.
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OP | Post 3 made on Sunday June 11, 2017 at 22:33
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Our chosen mesh network (read one of the best mark ups) won't work here. Maybe Eero will work, but how would you still implement it? A router in a weatherproof work can then hubbed to AP's? A Hub at the Demark and multiple routers at each RV? What's the best lay out?
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Post 4 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 02:48
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Are you thinking PoE for the access points? Is the area wooded? Are the users content to hook-up to wired utilities for each parking? Are you worried about protecting from lightning related events?

I don't have any experience with this, but I worry a bit about getting reliable site WiFi through a metal enclosed vehicle.

One interesting approach, if the RV's routinely have power, is to hand each RV an Eero, or similar, with instructions: "Place this near a window facing the center of the compound." Hopefully, there are no metal shades or screens in the wireless path.
Post 5 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 09:06
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I would run a line from the dmarc to a single Eero in RV2. This will be the router. Then drop an Eero in each RV unit.

This assumes you don't mind the entire RV "farm" using the same network.

I suppose you could put the main router Eero in the work box, but I'm unclear as to whether it has the space, or if heat and moisture are a real concern for whatever is in the box. If there are no environmental issues with the box, then put the main Eero on there, and then hand out an Eero to all the other RV's.

Hopefully the signal will pass through successfully.
Post 6 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 09:56
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One good access point could cover all that no prob.

[Link: radiolabs.com]

Toss that in and call it a day. Anywhere on site. The picnic shelter. An Rv. Wherever.


Or go nuts with a [Link: radiolabs.com], [Link: radiolabs.com] , and [Link: radiolabs.com]

And have 5 bars of wifi for a 1/2 mile radius lol.

Or get two bullets, two omnis, screw together and have two seperate light sabers (cuz that's what they look like) with Led lights for when people are bored at camp and want to battle. Lol.

I've got a 5 acre site covered with the bullet and 15db Omni and no amp.

I'd like to try the amp for fun. The dude at radiolabs called it the "nuclear bomb of wifi". Lol. He was a good egg. That was a couple years ago. Wonder if he is still there. He was a character.

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Post 7 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 10:01
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Throw a Ruckus T710 at it.
Post 8 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 10:13
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On June 11, 2017 at 20:32, Fins said...
The setting is a private family campground with 4 RV hookups. The D-Marc (phone, tv, electric meter, power distribution, etc) is located at the road edge of the property about the middle of the lot. Then the 4 RV hookups are parallel to the road, then center of the lot is a picnic shelter, cooking area. The lot is 1 ac, slightly longer than wide. About 250 x 150. Wifi access needs to cover all 4 RVs, and the picnic shelter. Wire can be run to any and all RVs, although it will be a pain. It would be harder to run anything to the center shelter. Currently, phone and TV are fiber service from local phone company. Each RV has a single cat feed for the cable box, and mounted at the D-Marc is a project box that houses the UPS to power the fiber termination from the phone company. Phone goes from the D-Marc to RV 2, and other RVs use cordless handsets.

What's the best way to get WiFi coverage on this situation? Price is an issue because the one footing the bill is used to staples prices, even though they can afford real product. And no, I'm not going trying to explain difference in quality and cost in this case. I need something that would keep the average person that can figure out how to connect their appleTV to the wif happy.

Here's a rough diagram of the lot if it helps

[IMG][/IMG]

Can you back the RVs away from the demarc and move the picnic area closer? That would make the distance from each RV to the demarc more equal and one AP might work for all of them.

Is is possible to install conduit between the demarc to the middle RV locations (is the cable on a post?) and from the middle to the outer ones?

I would have set this up as if it were a dock, using the same kind of post that provides shore power, CATV, Phone, Internet. These have a cover for all of the connections so rain won't be a problem and you could make something like it with a wooden post, a weather-resistant box and the correct fittings since budget is a concern.

Yeah, trenching is a PITA, but it's the best way to get what the RVs need, to each location.
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OP | Post 9 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 10:18
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I would keep POE in the list of options, but I'm afraid it may end up breaking the budget. Currently wire is buried to each hook up location for the cable boxes and terminated in an outdoor box. each person has to run a cat wire out the window and plug in to the for the tv service when they are there. Internet could be done the same way. Also though, the only way the RVs move are if the river floods or one is upgraded. the power is left on from the time the RVs are opened in spring until they are closed up in the fall because of food in the refrigerators. Lightning is always a concern, but probably no more than phone and power cause too. Oh, and I think the RVs are all fiber glass and other composites instead of metal.
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OP | Post 10 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 10:27
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On June 12, 2017 at 10:13, highfigh said...
Can you back the RVs away from the demarc and move the picnic area closer? That would make the distance from each RV to the demarc more equal and one AP might work for all of them.

Is is possible to install conduit between the demarc to the middle RV locations (is the cable on a post?) and from the middle to the outer ones?

I would have set this up as if it were a dock, using the same kind of post that provides shore power, CATV, Phone, Internet. These have a cover for all of the connections so rain won't be a problem and you could make something like it with a wooden post, a weather-resistant box and the correct fittings since budget is a concern.

Yeah, trenching is a PITA, but it's the best way to get what the RVs need, to each location.

Nothing can be moved. Digging isn't too bad because the soil is all silt from centuries of the new river flooding. The previous owner put the hook ups in many years ago, so I can't worry about what should have been run.


Also I did consider RV2 being he location for a router. Unfortunately 1 and 4 are better designed to have somewhere for a router to be put.
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OP | Post 11 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 10:30
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On June 12, 2017 at 09:56, gerard143 said...
One good access point could cover all that no prob.

[Link: radiolabs.com]

Toss that in and call it a day. Anywhere on site. The picnic shelter. An Rv. Wherever.

Or go nuts with a [Link: radiolabs.com], [Link: radiolabs.com] , and [Link: radiolabs.com]

And have 5 bars of wifi for a 1/2 mile radius lol.

Or get two bullets, two omnis, screw together and have two seperate light sabers (cuz that's what they look like) with Led lights for when people are bored at camp and want to battle. Lol.

I've got a 5 acre site covered with the bullet and 15db Omni and no amp.

I'd like to try the amp for fun. The dude at radiolabs called it the "nuclear bomb of wifi". Lol. He was a good egg. That was a couple years ago. Wonder if he is still there. He was a character.

This looks like a good option. But my question is do you not have any problem with the range from your portable devices reaching back to the antenna? I assume it still needs a router. I could put the router and POE injector in a new work box on the D-Marc.
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Post 12 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 10:31
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Unifi AC mesh, cheap, outddor AP's , remote management and more ... [Link: unifi-mesh.ubnt.com]
Post 13 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 11:43
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On June 12, 2017 at 10:13, highfigh said...

Yeah, trenching is a PITA, but it's the best way to get what the RVs need, to each location.

Ya it is. A dingo with a trencher attachment rented for like $175 (around me at least)is the way to go.
Post 14 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 11:46
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On June 12, 2017 at 10:30, Fins said...
This looks like a good option. But my question is do you not have any problem with the range from your portable devices reaching back to the antenna? I assume it still needs a router. I could put the router and POE injector in a new work box on the D-Marc.

The ubiquiti bullets have router functionality and weatherproof. No issues with iPhones walking around property. Antenna is actually inside the house too in attic with signal having to blowing thru roof. Mounted outdoors on a post with a little bit of height would be better. At this same site using them and a directional antenna to another location a mile away. Not a single hiccup in 6 years. As with any outdoor wiring. Don't forget your rain drip loop.


[Link: dl.ubnt.com]

Last edited by gerard143 on June 12, 2017 11:56.
OP | Post 15 made on Monday June 12, 2017 at 12:53
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Everything I'm seeing looks like the bullet is just an AP and connects to a router
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