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Post 16 made on Friday April 14, 2017 at 19:48
Ernie Gilman
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Okay, no handshake issues any more. First, you were assuming that's what it was; who knows what goes on under the hood of HDMI? Second, what did you do to correct things? See, we want to learn from you, too!

I agree with your idea of being sure the TV is on the correct input. It just dawned on me one day that the client has to wait for that step to happen, and if it is done on power down (and we have an RF remote system so he doesn't have to stand there pointing the remote through the entire macro), then he won't have to wait for that step.
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Post 17 made on Friday April 14, 2017 at 20:31
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On April 14, 2017 at 17:59, Andre3000 said...
Ernie, OK, OK, I'm not trying to be unresponsive I was just needing some time to try these things and get back to you guys

You'd be ahead by ignoring posts from Ernie. In fact, "Ernie" is a antagonistic virus program on RC that the moderators can't squash.

Ernie =

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Oh, and ditch the harmony.
how in the hell does ernie make money?
Post 18 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 02:37
Ernie Gilman
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Good sense of humor, man! I fixed it for you, not in keeping with reality but in keeping with what you were trying to say:

On April 14, 2017 at 20:31, IRkiller said...
You'd be ahead by ignoring posts from Ernie. In fact, "Ernie" is an antagonistic virus program on RC that the moderators can't squash.

Ernie =

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Oh, and ditch the harmony.

Also, the word is quash, not squash.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 19 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 03:43
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I don't like to assume that the system will come up with the correct inputs selected. What if a guest dug up the native remote or operated a unit directly and left the system in an unexpected state? One could set inputs and such as part of the OFF sequence, but it is more bombproof and logical to do this at power-up. If the programming platform supports flags, one could flag that a unit has been turned ON and the TV input is on the receiver's video output and reset the flags with the OFF button. This strategy will result in a remote that seems to operate faster because redundant commands are not re-issued after the initial power-up.

On Yamaha receivers I can use a "Scene" button that is almost impossible to reach with the native remote to insure that the receiver is in a compatible state with a single command.
Post 20 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 07:50
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On April 14, 2017 at 11:35, Andre3000 said...
I just installed a new Harmony elite remote thinking it would be good choice for a simple system. The system includes:

Samsung Flat panel TV
Marantz 5008 AVR
Sumsung BluRay
VCR
Direct TV receiver

The progression I have set for turning system on is TV, 4 sec. delay, Marantz AVR, and then whatever source depending on activity. This seems to work only sometimes the other times I get a message on the TV saying "NO HDMI SOURCE"
I have tried setting up using HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 but I do not get consistent results with either. If anyone knows what I should check next I would be most appreciative. Thanks!

Are you using the Help button? Do that. Press the gear at the upper left and a menu will appear, with 'Fix Watch TV' (or whatever the activity is), ' I'll fix it myself', etc- just press the 'Fix XX Activity' and let it learn what it needs to.
My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder."
Post 21 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 07:52
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On April 14, 2017 at 11:52, FreddyFreeloader said...
The harmony in general doesn't work as well as a professionally programmed product, but that being said we have to know more about how you have it connected before we can help.TV needs more time after power up before it will accept an input, but that only applies if you are using multiple inputs on the TV. If you're using the Marantz to switch your video the TV should stay on one input. Marantz needs very little time if any after power before will accept an input.

Just keep playing with it it may take you a few days but you'll eventually figure it out. Also an RF basestation will ensure commands are not missed as opposed to try to hold the remote still.

The Elite remote can control via IR and it comes with a hub that operates devices using IR, IP and BT, so that shouldn't be part of the issue.
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Post 22 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 07:52
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On April 14, 2017 at 12:15, kgossen said...
Fixed it for you.

This one does.
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Post 23 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 07:58
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On April 14, 2017 at 12:37, Andre3000 said...
When building a macro for an activity I always send the commands to set HDMI input on the TV (incase someone has changed it), in this case the TV is set to HDMI 1, then depending activity (watch TV, watch BluRay, etc..) I change the input on the AVR. The problem that I think I am having is an HDMI handshake issue as these Macro commands work fine until the system sits unused for a day or two then you select a macro and you get a screen on the TV that says NO HDMI source signal. That is the problem I think I am having.

Are you trying to build macros, or letting the software do it for you? Go back and look at the settings. This can probably be programmed by creating your own, but that's not the way it was designed and no, there's no reason to argue about it- if you want to build your own macros, get a different remote.

Connect the source directly to the TV and try it- if you see video, check your settings in the AVR and the TV. It's also possible that you need to turn off Deep Color settings.

If you press the activity button, what do you see when you press the Menu button? It should be mapped to the AVR, or you can press the Device button and select the AVR before pressing Menu. If you see nothing, try another cable or check the settings.
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Post 24 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 14:12
Ernie Gilman
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On April 15, 2017 at 03:43, buzz said...
I don't like to assume that the system will come up with the correct inputs selected. What if a guest dug up the native remote or operated a unit directly and left the system in an unexpected state? One could set inputs and such as part of the OFF sequence, but it is more bombproof and logical to do this at power-up.

It is, indeed, if you don't mind making the client wait up to ten additional seconds on every power-up. And, since I don't use a SYSTEM ON button in my remotes, but instead tie power-up into source selection on the remote, that delay would be involved in switching from one input to another.

So, to take less time every time, I set the TV to the correct input on power down. Then I don't need the client to take the time to wait for an ON macro to execute; they execute source selection and Power On with just the source selection button.

If a guest dug up a remote, etc, then the system won't work properly with this scheme and the first thing a person will do is turn the system off and try again. This resets everything.

I think it's better to set up the remote for fastest operation in normal circumstances; then in abnormal circumstances, since people understand that it's not working quite right, a bit of time to turn off and then on again is not only tolerable, it's so ordinary that there's a T shirt for it:



If the programming platform supports flags, one could flag that a unit has been turned ON and the TV input is on the receiver's video output and reset the flags with the OFF button. This strategy will result in a remote that seems to operate faster because redundant commands are not re-issued after the initial power-up.

But this is totally vulnerable to the guest digging up a remote and messing with the TV's input settings, so it doesn't solve the problem.

On Yamaha receivers I can use a "Scene" button that is almost impossible to reach with the native remote to insure that the receiver is in a compatible state with a single command.

? ? The "native remote" (the Yamaha) has scene buttons right on it. What did you mean here? I use the Scene buttons, too, even though a person can reset them just by pushing and holding on the chassis. So far nobody has reset any of them.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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Post 25 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 15:38
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On April 15, 2017 at 14:12, Ernie Gilman said...
? ? The "native remote" (the Yamaha) has scene buttons right on it. What did you mean here? I use the Scene buttons, too, even though a person can reset them just by pushing and holding on the chassis. So far nobody has reset any of them.

If you know where to look, most of the RX-A... models offer twelve scenes, only the first four have dedicated buttons on the native remote.
Post 26 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 19:09
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On April 15, 2017 at 14:12, Ernie Gilman said...

You have no idea what that shirt is really from do you?

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Post 27 made on Saturday April 15, 2017 at 21:05
Craig Aguiar-Winter
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In answering you question about what we like to use, I use Harmony 650 for basic systems. Basic to me is cable box, Apple TV, BD, AVR, TV, all in line of sight open cabinet, user requirements being on off volume. Anything that's not that gets a ProControl Pro24rV2 with a charging dock and a ProLink.r base station. My work is all one room AV systems and multitoom audio using HEOS or Casatunes so this has worked for me as of late.

One thing to be aware of in the differences between Harmony and the various professional remotes is that while Harmony is a universal and allows customization, they still only allow you to make alterations to how THEY want to control the system whereas the pro remotes allow you to force them to make them work exactly as you want them to. For better or for worse.

In the hands of a competent programmer systems work faster and more reliably on a pro remote. No help button required. Harmonies are designed for lay persons which is why the heavy lifting is kept hidden from the "programmer".

For example in your case you talk about issuing HDMI commands even if the TV won't be switching inputs in case the user grabs the original remote and messes with things. Harmony doesn't do this. During the programming you specify the input for the activity but the remote tracks it's state. If you turned it off while the TV was on HDMI 1, it won't issue that command if the next activity turns on to HDMI 1. Hence the need for the help button.

On a pro remote, it was mentioned to issue the HDMI command for the TV in the power off macro. Bullet proof. And not part of the Harmony process. You can add custom commands to any of the Harmony macros but then they are getting sent regardless, introducing processing delays, making times to issue the macro linger and introducing more opertunitied for conflicts. Plus with the pro remotes you can save programming and reuse it in future projects. I have streamlined and perfected pages for all of my commonly used devices. I drag and drop what I need into a project, link pages, done. With Harmony you have to reprogram from scratch every time and Fix issues every time. Tiresome.

Harmony had its place but time wasted doesn't take long to justify the expense of a better remote. How many times have you been back to fix this Harmony.

They are great little remotes but they have their place.

Craig.
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OP | Post 28 made on Thursday April 27, 2017 at 13:03
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I appreciate everyone considering my issue and getting back to me with advice. I am going to try and up my custom remote game. A nice A/V system is a great thing to experience but a good remote control makes it really cool!

Thanks again!
Andy
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