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Tickbox. Is this for real?
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Post 16 made on Tuesday April 4, 2017 at 13:58
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Dean, the great Roseanne Cash talks about how she makes more money selling T-Shirts than she gets in royalties from music streaming sources.

That's just wrong.
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Post 17 made on Tuesday April 4, 2017 at 20:08
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On April 3, 2017 at 22:59, Jeff at Zektor said...
My point is when you the average unknowing person gets taken in by a good sales pitch and buys the unit.

Jeff,

Even most of the average "unknowing" has a grip on what's right and wrong, and can easily understand that these devices are allowing them to get PAID programming for free, and that it wrong.

Ask and you'll find they justify. "Hey it's just streaming, so it's legal!", or "If they wanted to be paid for it, they wouldn't let it happen!".
Post 18 made on Tuesday April 4, 2017 at 22:19
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I don't know about that. The last time I was in traffic court, I am truly amazed at how dumb society is. When I was at the fair last year, a sales guy had 2 women in their 60's convinced that it was plug and play and could find every movie out there with no additional cost. The GUI was nice and it was pretty easy to use. In front of me and them, he pulled up some of their favorite movies and they were blown away.

He took a call on his phone a walked a few feet away. I told both of them that I was in this industry and the box was completely illegal. How can you get almost any movie ever produced for a one time charge of $299.00? This was the county fair price.

They walked away and so did I. Bottom line, I guarantee many people can and will get suckered into these products. Many others just don't care because they think actors and the studios make too much money. There is no conscious about it.

Personally, I still have cable, premium channels and Netflix. at $200/mo all in. Me and my family get $200 worth of entertainment for sure.

The studios will continue to face their outdated model. RIAA, with Apple, finally determined that the market will bear .99 cents for songs legally. The studios want to charge $5 to $25.00 for movie discs. I don't know if the market will continue to bear that. For all the reasons Dean wrote earlier in the thread, until they really control piracy in all forms. I doubt if they will ever get that genie back in the bottle.

I can't wait for our staff to start getting tech calls asking why their movie stealing box from brand X is having issues with our matrix. Of course it will be our fault. LOL.

Last edited by Jeff at Zektor on April 5, 2017 00:08.
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Post 19 made on Tuesday April 4, 2017 at 23:02
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My uncle bought two of these boxes. My wife said he gave $500 for each of them, but I don't know if that is correct. He asked me about it them before he bought them, and I explained I didn't really know much about them because they are illegal and I don't want to know more about them. But he still bought them and told me, "oh, the guy said they aren't illegal at all". People will take the word of someone selling crap out of a backpack if it justifies what they want and ignore professionals in the CE industry. What really made me laugh was the HDMI to component adapter the guy also sold him his pioneer rear projection tv.

I'm surprised we haven't seen more moves from to shut these down.
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Post 20 made on Wednesday April 5, 2017 at 01:00
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Telling someone that a magical device that lets them have movies and TV and music for free is illegal is like telling a starving person that the food is a little bland.

You aren't going to stop them.

People lie cheat and steal all day long in one form or another and then head to church on Sunday. Welcome to America. Welcome to humanity.

How many of you report every dollar you make at tax time? How many of you used the business credit card the last time you took your wife out? How many of you fight parking/traffic tickets even though you know you were guilty? How many can look around in their junk drawers and find pens and post-its that walked out of your bosses office supply cabinet and into your pocket and then made the trip to your houses junk drawer? How many of you speed when you drive? Who knowingly lets their car/business insurance laps? Who claimed their daughters laptop Christmas present as a business expense? Who cheats on their wives or husbands?

Hollywood has no one to blame but themselves. Napster and the wannabes who followed aren't on our radar anymore because the music industry made it so that you can go buy any song you want from any service or you can pay a subscription for streaming. With TV you still have to play games about what platform gets what titles etc. And if you ever tried to watch TV on a stations website with your cable company login...you may want to jump out of a window as your computer crashes while 2 or 3 minutes of ads load during each commercial break.

Want to put a stop to illegal movie downloads? Make it so the major players like itunes and google can offer everything and people will get tired of the illegal downloads and 3rd party hack boxes and just pay the pennies each month to watch the content they want.
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Post 21 made on Wednesday April 5, 2017 at 10:48
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iTunes has done a pretty good job of offering most tv shows. The problem though is they are $2 an episode. This adds up pretty quick if you want a whole season or multiple seasons. the music industry figured out the sweet spot on pricing songs so that people found it more convenient to buy music legally than to spend hours downloading, converting, and transferring it. If Studios and TV providers would figure out how to get their prices down, most pirating would go away. I think the magic number would be $100 a month for a package that includes 4 TVs, the typical standard channel package, and HBO.
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Post 22 made on Wednesday April 5, 2017 at 10:59
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On April 5, 2017 at 10:48, Fins said...
iTunes has done a pretty good job of offering most tv shows. The problem though is they are $2 an episode. This adds up pretty quick if you want a whole season or multiple seasons. the music industry figured out the sweet spot on pricing songs so that people found it more convenient to buy music legally than to spend hours downloading, converting, and transferring it. If Studios and TV providers would figure out how to get their prices down, most pirating would go away. I think the magic number would be $100 a month for a package that includes 4 TVs, the typical standard channel package, and HBO.

That's why I referenced Apple and iTunes finding what the market would bear at .99 cents. Apple does a lot of things right, but I don't find iTunes easy to work with. You are right on about downloading, converting and transferring. There are workarounds but it's a pain in the ass. The MPAA and all the studios are trying to hold onto this with a death grip wherever they can.
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Post 23 made on Wednesday April 5, 2017 at 14:13
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On April 5, 2017 at 10:59, Jeff at Zektor said...
That's why I referenced Apple and iTunes finding what the market would bear at .99 cents. Apple does a lot of things right, but I don't find iTunes easy to work with. You are right on about downloading, converting and transferring. There are workarounds but it's a pain in the ass. The MPAA and all the studios are trying to hold onto this with a death grip wherever they can.

I didn't see your post until after I posted the above. I think iTunes became fairly easy to use when the iPhone came out and you could buy straight from the phone and not have to use a computer. But it's really frustrating watching dinosaurs like the MPAA trying to hold on to outdated systems and not learning from the music industry that had to already evolve.
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