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Post 16 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 11:55
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On March 25, 2017 at 09:57, techvalley said...
Don't let facts get in the way of these guys stories!

[Link: nytimes.com]

so you think facts come from the NY Times?

Hysterical!

the US media SUCKS! doesn't matter who it is, you cant trust ANY OF THEM.

I poke around them all from time to time, but I manly go to the BBC for my news and even at that im not sure I entirely trust them either. Its really BAD when the media becomes radicalized and spews out fake news or horribly biased news/story's. something really needs to get done about this BIAS.
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Post 17 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 12:05
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In other related topics, did anyone read or see The Big Short?
There is no truth anymore. Only assertions. The internet world has no interest in truth, only vindication for preconceived assumptions.
Post 18 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 13:25
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On March 25, 2017 at 11:22, highfigh said...
OK, so he wasn't from outside- IIRC, he had contact with people on the outside, who were radical. Several who carried out terrorist attacks are known to have been radicalized by web sites for terrorist groups- why is it inconceivable that this guy might have done the same?

McVeigh was PO'd because of Ruby Ridge- that's not a religious jihad. The Unibomber was PO'd and his efforts had nothing to do with it.

WRT the Ottowa shooter, according to Wiki, "The attacker, Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, was a 32-year-old Canadian habitual offender and drug addict from Montreal. Considered by several acquaintances to have mental issues, he had been observed by acquaintances and mosque staff exhibiting erratic behaviour. Zehaf-Bibeau, who had a Libyan-Canadian father, had converted to Islam in 2004 and visited Libya. At the time of the shooting, Zehaf-Bibeau planned to leave Canada for the Middle East, living in a homeless shelter in Ottawa while waiting for the processing of his Canadian passport application."

Sounds like he was Muslim and became radicalized, but he had other issues, before.

I don't know how old you are, but if 9-11 was the first event that has forever tattooed your location into your head, congratulations for living a life that has been left unstained by the stupidity of the human race.

My point was that there have been plenty of "Terrorist" attacks, perpetrated by groups or people other than Muslims, and many from with in the borders of our own countries, and therefor locking the doors so to speak only deals with part of the problem. The threat from with in is just as dangerous in my opinion. As you pointed out, people get a hate on for any number of reasons, in addition to religion.

As far as the stupidly of the human race and my awareness of it, well I'm 39 now and there was all kinds of stuff that happened early in my life, but before 9-11 I was a lot younger, unaware, self absorbed, and cared more about my car stereo than I did about conflict in the world. That event happened to be big enough, close enough to home, and at a time in my life where I began to care about things outside of my own interest, that it became the event that left a mark and woke me up. I feel like ever since then it's been terror terror terror!
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Post 19 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 13:42
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On March 25, 2017 at 12:05, tomciara said...
In other related topics, did anyone read or see The Big Short?

I saw it. Now he's into water. Scares the crap out of me living in the country with the worlds largest supply of fresh water.
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Post 20 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 14:04
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On March 25, 2017 at 11:55, 3PedalMINI said...
so you think facts come from the NY Times?

Hysterical!

the US media SUCKS! doesn't matter who it is, you cant trust ANY OF THEM.

I poke around them all from time to time, but I manly go to the BBC for my news and even at that im not sure I entirely trust them either. Its really BAD when the media becomes radicalized and spews out fake news or horribly biased news/story's. something really needs to get done about this BIAS.

If the media sucks, which it does, challenge the facts noted.
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Post 21 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 15:51
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On March 25, 2017 at 11:55, 3PedalMINI said...
so you think facts come from the NY Times?

Hysterical!

the US media SUCKS! doesn't matter who it is, you cant trust ANY OF THEM.

I poke around them all from time to time, but I manly go to the BBC for my news and even at that im not sure I entirely trust them either. Its really BAD when the media becomes radicalized and spews out fake news or horribly biased news/story's. something really needs to get done about this BIAS.

Do you have anything close to reputable saying this guy was an immigrant? Even Fox News shows him as England born.
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Post 22 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 17:26
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On March 25, 2017 at 13:42, Craig Aguiar-Winter said...
I saw it. Now he's into water. Scares the crap out of me living in the country with the worlds largest supply of fresh water.

With five years of drought conditions in California, he had reason to do what he did. I am not sure what this winter's extensive rains have done to his position.
There is no truth anymore. Only assertions. The internet world has no interest in truth, only vindication for preconceived assumptions.
Post 23 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 18:01
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The Big Short is a great movie. Both educational and entertaining. Though, for a much more in-depth look at that era, see the four part NPR documentary:

[Link: pbs.org]

It's very good, and involves a lot of the folks who were involved. Movies are not generally a good way to get the facts, since they have to condense things so much. Lots of things get skipped over, multiple characters get condensed into one, and so forth.
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Post 24 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 18:03
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I'm going to check that out. Thanks for the link.
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Post 25 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 19:41
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It's interesting that at 20mins into the first part, rep Byron Dorgan stands up in front of his colleagues and says exactly what's wrong, and exactly what's coming, in 1999.

And other folks like Brooksly Borne (sp?) also were pushing Congress to head off the problems that ended up whacking us.

So it's not like it wasn't known what was wrong. But Greenspan and others argued against doing anything, and actively pushed legislation to get rid of oversight on derivatives.
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Post 26 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 20:40
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On March 25, 2017 at 18:01, Dean Roddey said...
The Big Short is a great movie. Both educational and entertaining. Though, for a much more in-depth look at that era, see the four part NPR documentary:

[Link: pbs.org]

It's very good, and involves a lot of the folks who were involved. Movies are not generally a good way to get the facts, since they have to condense things so much. Lots of things get skipped over, multiple characters get condensed into one, and so forth.

And we are heading down that same road again. Shuffle the deck, deal a new hand but the game is the same
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Post 27 made on Sunday March 26, 2017 at 13:46
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On March 25, 2017 at 13:25, Craig Aguiar-Winter said...
As far as the stupidly of the human race and my awareness of it, well I'm 39 now and there was all kinds of stuff that happened early in my life, but before 9-11 I was a lot younger, unaware, self absorbed, and cared more about my car stereo than I did about conflict in the world. That event happened to be big enough, close enough to home, and at a time in my life where I began to care about things outside of my own interest, that it became the event that left a mark and woke me up. I feel like ever since then it's been terror terror terror!

The speed of communication has increased and unfortunately, so has the speed of bullcrap reporting and sensationalism and that's a bad combination unless it's by design, to make sure people are kept in a state of being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of it. Add the decline of the educational system and end of teaching trades in high schools and the formula is complete- more people are stupid AND useless. With fewer people earning a decent living, they don't care as much about many of the things that were popular in the past, like making sure their kids did something other than watch TV or be glued to a computer/video game/tablet/phone, which adds helpless to the mix.

If the grid or internet fails, we're going to have a lot of panicked, bewildered people stumbling outside, wondering not only what happened, but also, wondering what they should or can do.

You missed out on the '60s- the duck & cover drills we did in grade school were a blast, especially the first time they sprung it on us at the tender age of 5 or 6. I don't remember a lot about The Bay Of Pigs when it happened, but my parents were very worried and then, Kennedy was assassinated. I was in 3rd grade for that one and a couple of years later, MLK was gunned down and we had lots of rioting. As if that wasn't enough, the Vietnam War was on TV daily after a while, so we had all kinds of good stuff to watch on our 4 or 5 channels.

The vast majority of terrorist attacks have been carried out by one group since about 1975 but most of teh problems we have could have been prevented if government leaders didn't have their heads up their asses.
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Post 28 made on Sunday March 26, 2017 at 13:57
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Yeh, these kids today don't know from global danger. We had to walk 20 mile to the nearest bomb shelter and back, and it was uphill both ways.

People worry about Kim Dun Been Ill in N. Korea having a few nukes that might work on the day or might not. Back then it was psychopaths like Stalin, with thousands of nukes and a huge army. And of course that resulted in our side being filled with paranoid, trigger happy people who figured it was probably best to just kick off Armageddon while we still had more than they did. That provided even more buildup justification to the same folks on the other side, which then provided even more buildup justification to the same folks on our side, ad terminatum.

But, of course, being thoughtful and responsible trigger happy paranoid people, we decided to just fight proxy wars all over the place and kills millions of other people instead.
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Post 29 made on Sunday March 26, 2017 at 15:00
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On March 26, 2017 at 13:57, Dean Roddey said...
Yeh, these kids today don't know from global danger. We had to walk 20 mile to the nearest bomb shelter and back, and it was uphill both ways.

People worry about Kim Dun Been Ill in N. Korea having a few nukes that might work on the day or might not. Back then it was psychopaths like Stalin, with thousands of nukes and a huge army. And of course that resulted in our side being filled with paranoid, trigger happy people who figured it was probably best to just kick off Armageddon while we still had more than they did. That provided even more buildup justification to the same folks on the other side, which then provided even more buildup justification to the same folks on our side, ad terminatum.

But, of course, being thoughtful and responsible trigger happy paranoid people, we decided to just fight proxy wars all over the place and kills millions of other people instead.

Well, if you kill off most of the planet's population, the enemy will eventually go away, right?

So now, we have Iran with nuclear material and North Korea with missiles that can reach farther. Flip a coin- it's gonna get weird.
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Post 30 made on Sunday March 26, 2017 at 15:05
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You have terrorists and then you have TERRORists... Both are usually just pissed off mother f'rs who are tired of watching or even just hearing about people like them being murdered by the military forces that are owned by the oil industry and weapons manufacturers.

If i walked down your street and killed one of your neighbors my guess is that your response would be to run inside and get your gun and come after me.

See where i am going with this? I know that most of you get it but for those that dont...i just explained why the "terrorists" want to chop your head off on youtube. Someone just like you did the same or worse to their aunt or child.

The reason most of you don't patrol the streets at night with your shotguns is that you have jobs and families and things that make your life worth living. Same goes for london born Muslims or American Born Timothy Mcveigh or the countless rednecks who make the news because they killed a Hindu thinking he was Muslim. If you feel like you have nothing to lose and you have people around you always talking about how one group is the reason your life sucks then guess what happens?

As far as making the arrest after an attack. Uh...thats generally how a first world nation operates. You don't just start rounding people up because you think they are guilty....oh wait...oh yeas we do. We did it during the world wars and we do it today. Its getting harder and harder to pretend that the United States is the good guys. I usually have to polish off a case of E&J 1/2 pints before i believe it.
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