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Post 1 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 07:13
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I am always amazed how quickly arrest are made following an attack. Some might say the clues left behind lead them. Perhaps true at times. But I say BS more often. They can spend days and months searching for other criminals. But when these terrorist type attacks happen they quickly cover their ass.
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Post 2 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 10:07
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Huh?
Post 3 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 11:15
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On March 23, 2017 at 10:07, Mario said...
Huh?

He's referring to the ISIS attack in London yesterday.

when you pander to radical extremists and welcome them into your country with open arms and a checkbook to appease the "COEXIST" crowd you will get things like this. It is a damn tragedy and heartbreaking to hear a US family was hit. Husband died, wife in critical condition and a daughter state side wondering if she will have a mom while grieving the death of her father.

London led the charge for letting these "immigrants" into their country for the rest of the world to follow. They are now paying for it, the world pays for it in these senseless attacks. Its one of the things that led to Brexit, the people of UK were tired of it. Its also what led to who is in the white house now.

Hearts and Prayers go out to the families who lost or are fighting for their lives. This hits a little closer to home for me because my parents, brother and his GF are heading over there in August. My brother was planning on proposing to his GF on that very bridge.
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Post 4 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 11:44
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I love how literally every damn thing that happens in the world is some kind of conspiracy. And there are always at least 2 opposing theories to every one of them. None of them are 100% correct. No one really knows except those directly involved. You cannot trust any media outlet for just the fact because, face it, where would they get those?

You can listen to report after report, investigation after investigation, story after story, and you will still not know WTF is going on because every reporter, every agency, every outlet has an agenda and therefore a "spin". Call it fake news or subjective journalism, or whatever you want. You simply just cannot get the facts without the garbage that comes with it these days.

It used to be that you could just live your life without having to run into all the whackjobs and their hair-brained conspiracy theories. No more...they have come out of the woodwork where they used to live. Imagine what "coverage" of the Challenger disaster or even the OJ trial would be like in today's media circus.

The only news I have been following, and I am not sure even exactly why, is the Oroville dam situation. And even that has had some conspiracy theories being flung around like feces by monkeys. I only watch one dude's YT channel to get the info. And he does not do anything except report what is happening there.....with video footage, coverage of press briefings, interviews with the people who are actually there. No mention of politics or terrorists, or immigrants, etc....no one blaming Trump, or the Russians, or ISIS, or aliens, neither the illegal nor outerspacey types. It is just news about something that is happening right now that has, or at least had, the potential to screw things up for a lot of people....but it was not big news because apparently it is too hard to come up with conspiracy theories way out in right or left field for something as trivial as a dam spillway breaking, and the remote possibility of drowning 1/3 of CA. That is boooooring.

Back to your regularly scheduled thursday. :P
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Post 5 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 16:23
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The story is, that he was UK born, and was on their watch list, as there had been many complaints.

Apparently "they" weren't watching him too closely. Of course that would be kind of hard to do.

I do wonder how this nutcase did become a terrorist? Did he become converted by some Imam?


FWIW: I fully support our current president in his quest to keep these people out of the US, and do hope that if anyone reports some Imam for preaching terrorist views, that person is dragged in for some very serious questioning.
Post 6 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 22:21
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What cracks me up is the officials say "this was a lone-wolf job". Then the next day there are seven arrest! Um, didnt you just tell your country it was a one man job?

This is what liberalism brings you. No spin. Just plain fact.
Post 7 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 00:31
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On March 23, 2017 at 22:21, Ranger Home said...


This is what liberalism brings you. No spin. Just plain fact.

Huh?
Liberalism brings you no spin, just plain fact, you say after telling us it was reported/reputed to be a one man job, then several people were arrested. No spin? Just plain fact?

I know you're saying something. I just can't figure out what.
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Post 8 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 00:35
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On March 23, 2017 at 22:21, Ranger Home said...
What cracks me up is the officials say "this was a lone-wolf job". Then the next day there are seven arrest! Um, didnt you just tell your country it was a one man job?

This is what liberalism brings you. No spin. Just plain fact.

Wow. Almost every political statement you make here is of the 'pot calling the kettle black' sort. Yes, the right and left have different views, and there are legitimate things that someone on one side can disagree with in terms of the *viewpoint* of the other. But, when it comes to political games and spinning and propaganda and circling the wagons etc..., they are exactly the same. This is proven over and over again.

Constantly trying to imply otherwise just indicates that your position is the product of a deep seated, irrational hatred, not of any sort of actual evaluation of the situation or attempt to come to an informed opinion. It's a cancer in our society, and it's getting worse.

And I'm not picking on the right here. Anyone who does this from the left side of the field is equally cancerous. You just happen to be a particularly consistent example of it. It's as far from patriotic, and as far from doing your job as a member of a democracy, that I can imagine.
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Post 9 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 00:59
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On March 24, 2017 at 00:31, Ernie Gilman said...
Huh?
Liberalism brings you no spin, just plain fact, you say after telling us it was reported/reputed to be a one man job, then several people were arrested. No spin? Just plain fact?

I know you're saying something. I just can't figure out what.

He was being sarcastic obviously.
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Post 10 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 19:13
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Actually I was making two separate statements and didnt make that clear. Read them as separate statements, unrelated to each other and it makes sense. That was the intent.
Post 11 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 08:23
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On March 23, 2017 at 11:15, 3PedalMINI said...
London led the charge for letting these "immigrants" into their country for the rest of the world to follow.

The attacker in London was home grown. No one let him in.

Same with the guy who attacked Canadian Parliment in 2014. He killed a Canadian soldier standing watch of the tomb of the unknown soldier, prior to going on a shooting spree inside parliament and being taken down by RCMP and parliamentary security.

[Link: en.m.wikipedia.org]

John Kaczynski, Timothy McVeigh, home grown.

These types worry me more than imported threats.

Islamic extremist terrorism and "terrorism" as a buzz word in itself has been a sore spot for the western world since 9-11. At least more so than it was prior. I was 23 and was a week into training as a Firefighter when it happened. It's the first event in my life that I can say exactly what I was doing. Be it my age or life experience at the time, the word terrorism was meaningless to me before then. I know the perpetrators in 9-11 weren't home grown, but mention terrorism in conversation now, or hear it on the news and people get anxious. It's what's selling papers now. Keeps tax dollars flowing into the military. The media will label something as a possible terrorist act even before an investigation is done just to start panic and get us to tune in. Yet incididents initiatited by people like that home grown wack job in Ottawa, radically religious based or not, fade into oblivion. Shutting out entire countries doesn't sit well with me but I'm all for tightening up boarder security. However this English guy was known to be a risk. And he still pulled it off. We need tighter security at home.

Craig

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Post 12 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 09:57
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On March 25, 2017 at 08:23, Craig Aguiar-Winter said...
The attacker in London was home grown. No one let him in.

Same with the guy who attacked Canadian Parliment in 2014. He killed a Canadian soldier standing watch of the tomb of the unknown soldier, prior to going on a shooting spree inside parliament and being taken down by RCMP and parliamentary security.

[Link: en.m.wikipedia.org]

John Kaczynski, Timothy McVeigh, home grown.

These types worry me more than imported threats.

Don't let facts get in the way of these guys stories!

[Link: nytimes.com]
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Post 13 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 10:06
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On March 23, 2017 at 16:23, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...
The story is, that he was UK born, and was on their watch list, as there had been many complaints.

Apparently "they" weren't watching him too closely. Of course that would be kind of hard to do.

I do wonder how this nutcase did become a terrorist? Did he become converted by some Imam?

"WESTMINSTER terrorist Khalid Masood had two daughters with his long-term partner, successful businesswoman Jane Harvey, and lived in a $1 million house in an affluent English village.

But the relationship fell apart after Masood was apparently radicalised in prison and tried to make his daughters live a conservative Islamic life."
"try to become not a man of success, but try rather to become a man of value."
Post 14 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 10:56
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On March 25, 2017 at 09:57, techvalley said...
Don't let facts get in the way of these guys stories!

[Link: nytimes.com]

Nobody like facts here!!
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Post 15 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 11:22
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On March 25, 2017 at 08:23, Craig Aguiar-Winter said...
The attacker in London was home grown. No one let him in.

Same with the guy who attacked Canadian Parliment in 2014. He killed a Canadian soldier standing watch of the tomb of the unknown soldier, prior to going on a shooting spree inside parliament and being taken down by RCMP and parliamentary security.

[Link: en.m.wikipedia.org]

John Kaczynski, Timothy McVeigh, home grown.

These types worry me more than imported threats.

Islamic extremist terrorism and "terrorism" as a buzz word in itself has been a sore spot for the western world since 9-11. At least more so than it was prior. I was 23 and was a week into training as a Firefighter when it happened. It's the first event in my life that I can say exactly what I was doing. Be it my age or life experience at the time, the word terrorism was meaningless to me before then. I know the perpetrators in 9-11 weren't home grown, but mention terrorism in conversation now, or hear it on the news and people get anxious. It's what's selling papers now. Keeps tax dollars flowing into the military. The media will label something as a possible terrorist act even before an investigation is done just to start panic and get us to tune in. Yet incididents initiatited by people like that home grown wack job in Ottawa, radically religious based or not, fade into oblivion. Shutting out entire countries doesn't sit well with me but I'm all for tightening up boarder security. However this English guy was known to be a risk. And he still pulled it off. We need tighter security at home.

Craig

OK, so he wasn't from outside- IIRC, he had contact with people on the outside, who were radical. Several who carried out terrorist attacks are known to have been radicalized by web sites for terrorist groups- why is it inconceivable that this guy might have done the same?

McVeigh was PO'd because of Ruby Ridge- that's not a religious jihad. The Unibomber was PO'd and his efforts had nothing to do with it.

WRT the Ottowa shooter, according to Wiki, "The attacker, Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, was a 32-year-old Canadian habitual offender and drug addict from Montreal. Considered by several acquaintances to have mental issues, he had been observed by acquaintances and mosque staff exhibiting erratic behaviour. Zehaf-Bibeau, who had a Libyan-Canadian father, had converted to Islam in 2004 and visited Libya. At the time of the shooting, Zehaf-Bibeau planned to leave Canada for the Middle East, living in a homeless shelter in Ottawa while waiting for the processing of his Canadian passport application."

Sounds like he was Muslim and became radicalized, but he had other issues, before.

I don't know how old you are, but if 9-11 was the first event that has forever tattooed your location into your head, congratulations for living a life that has been left unstained by the stupidity of the human race.
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