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URC needs to man the F up and figure out their policy
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Post 46 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 17:11
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On March 23, 2017 at 16:13, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...
That might work if you're stealing from a company you work for, but do it to yourself and you won't be doing it long....

No, not stealing from a company you work for.

But let's say you take $X a week as owner compensation. But now you take $X-Y in compensation and use the $Y to purchase remotes from URC. Cash out to the company is the same. Sell the remotes on ebay and keep the cash.

But you only pay tax on $X-Y and the $Y is tax-free. So you may sell on ebay at 10% below cost, but might save 25% in taxes.

No it is not ethical, but merely an explanation as to why someone may do it.

My personal thought is URC doesn't do anything about internet sales because they want the money and know that most dealers don't have anywhere else to go. And URC really didn't help the dealer's cause with CCP. Back when I started programming URC, if I wanted a new remote I had to go back to the same dealer that would provide me with the new editor. Once I got CCP that covered all remotes and would update for the newer ones, I no longer needed that dealer.

As for software, any kid with a computer and 10 minutes can have whatever software they want.
Post 47 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 21:51
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On March 23, 2017 at 17:11, Bubby said...
As for software, any kid with a computer and 10 minutes can have whatever software they want.

That is pretty much true, but you need other info, keys or whatever, to activate the C4 software (which, I'm sure there are ways around, too). I was able to download the software using a login from a buddy who works for another company, because I wanted to sorta look under the hood and see how their software compared to Simpl and Blueprint before actually pursuing a dealership. But between that and their other policies, I lost interest.
Post 48 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 22:11
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On March 22, 2017 at 18:10, goldenzrule said...
Dash dash dash. You are like a broken record. Dash isn't URC, and the entire discussion is about CCP, not TC. And I created because I have had people ask for software. I have had people try to get me to price match Amazon at the END of projects after an approved proposal was signed off on. Fact is thanks to URC, some of these people think that I am screwing them. I do not get this with any other lines I carry

This discussion is about CCP? I missed that part.
Post 49 made on Thursday March 23, 2017 at 22:12
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On March 23, 2017 at 14:04, goldenzrule said...
It's in the contract they make you sign. No thanks.

Anyway, this thread is about URCs policy and not C4s.

:)
Post 50 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 09:08
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On March 23, 2017 at 14:04, goldenzrule said...
It's in the contract they make you sign. No thanks.

Understood...to each his own.
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Post 51 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 10:02
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On March 23, 2017 at 16:13, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...
That might work if you're stealing from a company you work for, but do it to yourself and you won't be doing it long....

If they're audited, they'll be nailed for tax evasion. Well, they may be nailed for stealing, too. Classic case of biting the hand that feeds them.
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Post 52 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 16:31
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On March 24, 2017 at 10:02, highfigh said...
If they're audited, they'll be nailed for tax evasion. Well, they may be nailed for stealing, too. Classic case of biting the hand that feeds them.

Possibly, but remote. How can you steal from a company you own?
Post 53 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 17:07
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On March 24, 2017 at 16:31, Bubby said...
Possibly, but remote. How can you steal from a company you own?

Depends on how the company is set up- if it's a partnership, has stock holders, etc. If goods are sold and no tax is collected on local sales, the state can become pretty ornery. Also if the items were pid for with company funds instead of personal, it can be sticky.
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Post 54 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 17:07
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On March 24, 2017 at 16:31, Bubby said...
Possibly, but remote. How can you steal from a company you own?

Thousands of ways and they are all illegal.

As to your other statement, the numbers don't add up at all.


If you buy a product, and sell it for less than you paid for it, you won't make a profit.

Buying wholesale does mean you wont pay taxes, but that small amount doesn't get you to a point you can sell at below your cost and make money. even if you collect taxes on your resale (typically not done on Ebay and the like), and don't report them, you still come up short.

Maybe there's a state that's collecting 15% or 20% sales tax that might get you there. I don't know, but either way, you are now going down a road where tax evasion is sure to be found.


Not q good biz plan....
Post 55 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 18:33
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I think admittedly we all do this one way or the other. I've ebayed a few stock items that were stuck on the shelf and didn't want to throw it away.

But it's so few and far between and I only do it after something has sat on the shelf forever.

I normally just sell off things that I pull out of a clients system that still has some value, but the client doesn't want or care about for extra cash in the pocket. But that's also not very common.

If your doing things like what someone mentioned on here then it's only a matter of time before you get found.
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Post 56 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 19:07
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nothing to stop a manufacturer from selling below dealer costs online. They still make an EASY profit. I wouldnt put it past some of the sleazy ones!

That said, not an ounce of me thinks URC does that. Just saying someone could for sure.
Post 57 made on Friday March 24, 2017 at 22:16
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On March 24, 2017 at 16:31, Bubby said...
Possibly, but remote. How can you steal from a company you own?

Just a guess:
The company buys something.
You take it home and use it, no paperwork.
It's reported missing by the company.
It's a loss, shrink, theft, whatever you want to call it.
If the company is audited and the status of the item is clear, there would have to be an audit of peoples' homes at the same time to prove theft.

But it sure could happen, especially if it's not just a one-off kind of thing.
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Post 58 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 01:24
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On March 24, 2017 at 19:07, Ranger Home said...
nothing to stop a manufacturer from selling below dealer costs online. They still make an EASY profit. I wouldnt put it past some of the sleazy ones!

For a while we tried to work with a company and develop builder ties. But, it didn't work out because the builders would go directly to the company and get a better deal.

Actually, it was a blessing in disguise because the products turned out to be bombs over the longer term.
Post 59 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 02:36
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If you going to steal from IRS, go all out like this local (to me) lady tried: false tax return claiming a refund to the tune of $958 million for one year's taxes
Hell, she only got 200 days in jail -- for that kind of risk to reward ratio, I'm not surprised she tried it.

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Post 60 made on Saturday March 25, 2017 at 11:10
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I used to get up in arms about end users requesting a copy of programming software, now I kinda don't care.

99% of the time of the time I provide clients with a copy of their finished program. Anybody who asks me for the software gets told that I don't have a copy of the EXE file on my computer and that is dealer only but if they look carefully on the interwebs they can find it.

I also explain all the trainings I have been to, the templates I have purchased etc and that they are more then welcome to give it a shot. They also get reminded that I have a copy of their finished program as well so if they call me with a problem related to programming and the code that they have differs from what I put on there, they are paying full price for my time from then on out for any issues that are programming related.

Basically "Go for it. But if you screw it up, you are paying me to fix it".

Honestly, most of the people who would even try are not typically people who would be my clients. I think I have had 3-4 in the course of 17 years in the business. Years ago I did a "plasma and 5" system for a woman who had already pre-programmed her MX850 before I brought the gear down to install it. She had a connection diagram ready to go for me and other then needing to fine tune a few power/input delays in macros, she had pretty much nailed it.

She was a code monkey for a living.
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