Yes!

With proper implementation of DLNA in all media devices. Monitors and recievers with built in 8k capable HEVC decoder chips. Nbase-T network capable NiC, Wol magic packet a must.

It's heading this way anyways.
JAP
HDbitT
HDbaseT encapsulated IP packets.

Coming from the broadcast world... On the occasions we have to deal with HDMI in high-end AV, it just seems totally crazy.

Without a doubt: SDI over coax. Mini coax will go 300ft. The thicker stuff can go further. It's fast, easy, and fairly cheap to terminate. Much faster and easier to work with than CAT6. Tons of very high quality routing and distribution products. Easy/cheap conversion to/from HDMI and fiber.

Return channels, bi-directional control, and even HDCP could be implemented if the industry wanted to. Lots of history of modulating additional signals.

I don't know the details of how JAP works, but keep in mind the following bandwidth requirements (all data must arrive on time):

HD: 1.5 Gbps
UHD/4k: 12 Gbps

Not sure how you can do that over ethernet without compression and some latency.

HDMI was terrible standard from day one. They did not take physical properties into account and they did not plan for the future. let's look at it.

HDMI 1.0 5gbs - I could have told you then it would need to be faster in the future.
Can't field terminate the cable - Really! WTF? Who thought of that?
Non locking connector - Again, Really! WTF? Who that of that?
Limited distance - Again, Really! WTF? Who that of that?
Have to upgrade your other equipment every time you buy something with the features of the newest version - Really! I know who thought of that.

HDCP - Do we connect two devices together and copy them like we used to do with VCRs? If we want to copy something we get the info off the disc or store it on a hard drive and hack the encryption. Copy protection as a cable standard not really needed today.

HDMI was built off an existing technology to keep it simple. HDMI was built off DVI which was built off 8B/10B. So if we go back 15 years and want to build something based on existing technology that could solve the above physical problems and handle the bandwidth needed for at least the next 10-20 years for a cabling standard. The answer is be easy.

Mario gets the gold star: FIBER

This is getting to be a real killer: "Have to upgrade your other equipment every time you buy something with the features of the newest version - Really! I know who thought of that."
It been like a two or three year cycle for Home Theater receivers and now with eARC, 4K, etc. another round is coming, pretty soon even the hard core consumers are going to get mad buying yet another new receiver.

What are you using for HDMI extenders if there is nothing but Cat5e in place between a remote TV and AV receiver in a surround system?

What are you using for Video distribution?

[Link: zektor.com]


Crestron DM

None of you have beat unicorn hair treated with fairy dust.

gotcha

There it is again. Crestron DM. I think that is a big reason you haven't had a lot of the same issues, at least as far as video distribution goes.

To be honest, we've done HDMI distribution with Key Digital as well and I will admit that their matrices can be wonky. We had one we even had to periodically reset using the Bluebolt scheduler just to make sure it would work after long periods of not using it. But as far as Crestron and Zektor go, we haven't had too many issues.

As I understand it, the original sin with HDMI was basing it on twisted pair copper. It's just too fragile for such high throughput real time data transfer.

Maybe differential signal processing is advancing faster than video bandwidth requirements, and HDMI will settle down. If not, then HDMI needs a new physical medium. Fiber if it's cost effective and installer friendly enough; otherwise coax.

There are no Cat5/6 solutions at the moment that can handle the full 18gbs for 4K with HDR and other features. Unless Brent knows of some. I hear there are some coming but are going to use compression, so there will be some loss of picture quality. I haven't used these but at least they have HDCP 2.2 and it might be your only options for a while.

[Link: metrahometheater.com]

[Link: avprostore.com]

[Link: snapav.com]

Yep

Just was listening to a Q&A with the creators of the new HDMI 2.1 spec. It's amazing to me that these guys rattle off all the great new features for 2.1, which is now going to supposedly push the data rate to 48GBPS and handle 8K, BUT, then you ask them how long the copper based cable can be, and the answer is, "um, yeah, it will be limited to 3-5 Meters. What is wrong with these people????

By the way, FIX the friggin audio delay problems for goddsake.

Differential signaling doesn't help in terms of speed--its used to reduce noise. HDMI itself is fully differential. I'd hope that all extenders are as well. I'd be surprised if they weren't.

At some point, speed in copper cabling is going to be limited by the parasitic capacitance and inductance in the cabling. We'll have to start using fiber or something else once speeds surpass a certain threshold.

I've been saying that since S-Video came out with six foot cables.

I've never understood how someone can come out with a technology that a person would use in a huge theater where the equipment might be forty feet from the video source, but your system size is limited to a TV with a video source on a shelf underneath it.

This is terribly stupid. Terribly.


I've never been sure if it's audio delay or video delay. Is it just one of those?


No, that's not it. The copper is wide enough for all the electrons to rush through it, even if they have to go side by side. The wires don't fall apart for lack of strength.

What's wrong with them? They live in a lab or office and dream up new shit without having a damn clue about what people are actually doing with it and what is needed.

It's time for someone to roll up a newspaper and swat these propeller heads on the snout. HARD! Once they get their legs under them, they need to go into the field, to find out what kinds of hell they're creating for us.