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Would you rid the world of HDMI if you could and what would you replace it with?
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Post 1 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 11:12
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Do you think this would be a good article for a CE magazine. :)

Another day and another HDMI issue. I won't bother you with the boring details.
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Post 2 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 11:16
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HDMI is awesome. Single manufactured wire with audio video and control. I hope it never ends.
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Post 3 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 11:34
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We haven't had nearly as many issues in with HDMI as reported by some (or maybe most) members here.

What brands/devices are causing you guys the most issues? How long are the runs that cause you guys issues on average?

I'd really be curious to know.

I'm fine with HDMI but If I were to replace it with something it'd be Ethernet. JAP is pretty cool but I've yet to have a chance to try it. What'd be awesome is if all devices (sources and displays) could plug into a network (this would either be the same as the house network or a separate network altogether). Then each display could choose to poll from a source on that network. You'd have easy to terminate cabling and it'd be through a standard all (hopefully) installers are already familiar with.

Far-fetched idea, though!
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Post 4 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 11:54
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On March 6, 2017 at 11:34, alihashemi said...
We haven't had nearly as many issues in with HDMI as reported by some (or maybe most) members here.

What brands/devices are causing you guys the most issues? How long are the runs that cause you guys issues on average?

I'd really be curious to know.

I'm fine with HDMI but If I were to replace it with something it'd be Ethernet. JAP is pretty cool but I've yet to have a chance to try it. What'd be awesome is if all devices (sources and displays) could plug into a network (this would either be the same as the house network or a separate network altogether). Then each display could choose to poll from a source on that network. You'd have easy to terminate cabling and it'd be through a standard all (hopefully) installers are already familiar with.

Far-fetched idea, though!

If JAP could be integrated into source and display equipment, you'd be there. The issue is we can't even get a standard on mounts that works across the board, and how simple is that to accomplish? No way these manufacturers would get their heads of of their you know what's and get together on actual standards.
Post 5 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 13:36
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I think the plug/jack has serious physical weaknesses and when the cable is stiff enough, it guarantees breakage at the end of the cable or the jack, Or, it just pushes lightweight equipment out of the cabinet. I think a single cable system is great, if it's designed properly. Why this couldn't be a round connector, I don't know- it could screw in or a clip-style retainer could be used that's similar to the kind on some power cords. Since nobody used the HDMI retainers, the AVR manufacturers stopped using the screws for this and started to use them for mounting the board.

If all HDMI cables could be flexible and harder to remove, I doubt we wold see as many problems.
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Post 6 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 13:59
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On March 6, 2017 at 13:36, highfigh said...
If all HDMI cables could be flexible and harder to remove, I doubt we wold see as many problems.

Off topic a bit, but Snap's B6 cables are a flexible "locking" style and don't come loose. If only they would make one in 0.5 meter... the 0.7 is too close to a 1.0 if you ask me.

Wish Brent would add similar locking to his moderately priced cables...
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Post 7 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 14:54
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On March 6, 2017 at 13:59, tomciara said...
Off topic a bit, but Snap's B6 cables are a flexible "locking" style and don't come loose. If only they would make one in 0.5 meter... the 0.7 is too close to a 1.0 if you ask me.

Wish Brent would add similar locking to his moderately priced cables...

Vanco and Tributaries sell flexible cables that are more secure, too. The other ones that cause problems are the ones connecting a TV and AVR- too thick and stiff, which can be fixed using a port saver, but that risks causing problems with signal level.
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Post 8 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 14:56
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Retention on the MHX cables has not been a issue
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Post 9 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 15:09
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Coax! I don't mind the technical properties, it's the physical properties: wanting to come unplugged but at the same time wants to damage what it's plugged into and/or break off inside of everything that makes fighting mad.
Post 10 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 15:56
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On March 6, 2017 at 14:54, highfigh said...
Vanco and Tributaries sell flexible cables that are more secure, too. The other ones that cause problems are the ones connecting a TV and AVR- too thick and stiff, which can be fixed using a port saver, but that risks causing problems with signal level.

I'm a huge fan of the Vanco series of cables. We specifically use the thinner ones and they rarely come loose. They don't have a locking mechanism but they aren't as loose as other brands once inserted, either.
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Post 11 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 16:01
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Yes, I'd get rid of it. I'd ask for component for cheaper electronics and SDI for more expensive electronics.

And maybe this makes sense: now that so many components are made to connect to a network, we could run all the control "features" on a separate CAT cable that could be daisy-chained. Mostly, it would be NOT on the same cable as the video signal!
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Post 12 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 17:10
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If I had my pick of medium to replace it all, I would pick fiber.

Wicked fast, no grounding issues, somewhat easy to terminate, but we would need to standardize one a single/universal connection.

I would like to see it used for everything from A/V, Audio only (line lever), Video only, control, ethernet, etc. Of cause there is a limitation of not being able to carry power, some maybe RJ45 with copper is where it should be at.
Post 13 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 17:12
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On March 6, 2017 at 11:54, goldenzrule said...
If JAP could be integrated into source and display equipment, you'd be there. The issue is we can't even get a standard on mounts that works across the board, and how simple is that to accomplish? No way these manufacturers would get their heads of of their you know what's and get together on actual standards.

You hit the nail on the head. In an industry like the AV industry its hard to come up with standards because no one outside of it will be using it and it'll cost too much for companies to come together to create one. Other industries like the automotive industry or aerospace industry created a unified form of communication due to need.
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Post 14 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 21:24
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On March 6, 2017 at 15:56, alihashemi said...
I'm a huge fan of the Vanco series of cables. We specifically use the thinner ones and they rarely come loose. They don't have a locking mechanism but they aren't as loose as other brands once inserted, either.

They have a series of cables that are more secure- if I think someone will try to move equipment, I'll use the secure ones- it saves me from trouble calls at 8PM.
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Post 15 made on Monday March 6, 2017 at 21:55
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I'd replace it with the hair from unicorn tails, treated with fairy dust.


It's as likely to happen as the other ideas here.
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