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Matrices Best Practices with AVR involved in a zone?
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Post 1 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 15:16
3PedalMINI
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Designing a few systems here. One job has 5 zones of video with 3 surround sound zone's (will be sony es2000's)

System will be JAP..

just curious how everyone designs systems. I normally would put all of my sources into the transmitters and then a receiver for each AVR and then HDbaseT out to the TV's

is this a best practice for this scenario?

for a job with 1 surround sound zone and 3 video locations I would use the loop out functions of the transmitters into the AVR and then just use HDbaseT out to the TV from AVR...

is all of this kosher? just wanted to make sure I havent been doing it wrong all of these years! :P
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Post 2 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 16:04
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JAP Receiver on each SS AVR
JAP Receiver on each display

Why do you want to go out of the AVR in the first place?
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Post 3 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 16:17
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On March 1, 2017 at 16:04, BlackWire Designs said...
JAP Receiver on each SS AVR
JAP Receiver on each display

Why do you want to go out of the AVR in the first place?

Can JAP do that and not screw up the audio? I did basically what you are saying with an hdbaset matrix that had dual outputs on each zone (cat to the display and hdmi to the avr in the rack) and it tried to knock the audio to 2 channel because of the display.
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Post 4 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 16:43
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On March 1, 2017 at 16:17, Fins said...
Can JAP do that and not screw up the audio? I did basically what you are saying with an hdbaset matrix that had dual outputs on each zone (cat to the display and hdmi to the avr in the rack) and it tried to knock the audio to 2 channel because of the display.

The cool thing with JAP is you can set what EDID to use.
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OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 16:51
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On March 1, 2017 at 16:04, BlackWire Designs said...
JAP Receiver on each SS AVR
JAP Receiver on each display

Why do you want to go out of the AVR in the first place?

So in that case you are only using the jap as the audio?

I would do it the way in my OP just to prevent audio delay issues..
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Post 6 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 19:25
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What be wrong with running the JAP receiver to the AVR and then hdmi out of the AVR to the display?

I am starting my first JAP system where I hoped to do this. TS indicated I could do this.

My system will be very large. 3 ea 24 port Luxul stacked switches, 12 sources, 21-23 displays
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Post 7 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 21:05
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On March 1, 2017 at 19:25, FP Crazy said...
What be wrong with running the JAP receiver to the AVR and then hdmi out of the AVR to the display?

I am starting my first JAP system where I hoped to do this. TS indicated I could do this.

My system will be very large. 3 ea 24 port Luxul stacked switches, 12 sources, 21-23 displays

My thought on this would be, is HDBaseT and JAP both equally reliable? What little I know about JAP (unfortunately I've never used it), it seems more reliable than any of the point to point extender options. Another possible reason, how does a pair of HDBaseT extenders compare in price to a JAP receiver?
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Post 8 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 21:15
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Extender --->AVR--->Display is the only way to get your AVR's on screen display...displaying on screen.
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Post 9 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 21:31
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On March 1, 2017 at 21:15, Mac Burks (39) said...
Extender --->AVR--->Display is the only way to get your AVR's on screen display...displaying on screen.

What customer needs the display on screen? Half of my clients complain about volume and inputs popping up on screen.
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Post 10 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 22:19
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JAP to AVR to Endpoint
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Post 11 made on Wednesday March 1, 2017 at 23:55
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I think based on what 3pedal said that is his intention. Just using HDbaseT from Reveiver -> endpoint versus HDMI. Assuming Equip is in a rack and display not close and 4K.

Curious on Blackwire designs response about any sync issues with what he proposed above using receivers at both the receiver and displays so receivers output is just for video and TV gets direct video. the cost difference between a JAp receiver vs 3Pedal's use of the HDbaseT transmitter & receiver would be close.

Curious what the sources happen to be in the setup In that they are shared w/transmitter vs fixed/duplicated for each AVR. The latter would then just require JAP from the AVR to Display.
Post 12 made on Thursday March 2, 2017 at 07:59
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I just did this with three AVR's in a rack. We did 3G Hifi Tx and the 3g Rx going into each receiver. All of the equipment sources and AVR's were in the rack. I was able to use a 30' Etehereal HDMI from the AVR to one TV, the other TV I used a 50' Etehereal HDMI, then the other TV required a 100' run. For this we used the 3gtx and 3grx as a point to point. Everything works great. I figured if I need 4k, then I would just put the accelerators on the two HDMI cables, but the Amazon 4k on the roku worked fine.
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Post 13 made on Thursday March 2, 2017 at 11:58
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On March 1, 2017 at 21:31, Fins said...
What customer needs the display on screen? Half of my clients complain about volume and inputs popping up on screen.


Considering a lot of AVR's have on screen menu's only, just for setup and maintenance it is pretty important. Of course you can plug your test monitor right into an AVR, but when setting the soundstage up manually, you really have to be in the room.
Post 14 made on Thursday March 2, 2017 at 13:39
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Easily accomplished by unplugging a single source and routing the AVR output to the transmitter and selecting that source for setting up AVR.
Post 15 made on Friday March 3, 2017 at 12:57
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On March 2, 2017 at 13:39, lippavisual said...
Easily accomplished by unplugging a single source and routing the AVR output to the transmitter and selecting that source for setting up AVR.

I can't believe I didn't think about this. Putting a transmitter on the AVR, and put the Receiver on the input of the AVR. Then the Receiver at the TV could select inputs, as well as the receiver. Same amount of parts, but I feel like this is a better solution. I just used the JAP as a point to point 4k connection.
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