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End of the cable box?
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Post 16 made on Tuesday January 31, 2017 at 20:43
Tom Grooms
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Ordered a Roku Ultra to play around with it this weekend. Anybody have any performance feedback?
Post 17 made on Tuesday January 31, 2017 at 21:03
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I have a client that's been using the roku and Spectrum app/channel for a while on some bedroom TVs. He seems to like it. Problem in my opinion is, no DVR and so far the onDemand libraries suck.
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Post 18 made on Tuesday January 31, 2017 at 21:13
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One thing that eerks me about the stream devices. Is the fact that you can't get the same response with it as you can with a DVR. When I press the jump back, or jump forward. I don't want to wait for the damn thing to buffer.

Surely it's not on my end as my down is 215Mbps and up is 11Mbps. This is true no matter the streaming device.

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Post 19 made on Tuesday January 31, 2017 at 22:47
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On January 31, 2017 at 20:43, Tom Grooms said...
Ordered a Roku Ultra to play around with it this weekend. Anybody have any performance feedback?

It is awesome. I would recommend you get a small MicroSD card to use in it however. If you load up a lot of channels and such, you will run out of internal memory. Then it has to "Re-Load" the app/channel every time you use it.
I have over 50 channels now loaded on the Roku Ultra and needed to get a MicroSD card. A 2GB is all you need to load a hundred apps/channels.

Kind of frustrating if you think about it. 2GB of flash costs nothing, so why didn't Roku just throw in a few extra GB to the memory? Another stupid engineer issue?

[edit]: I have 50 app/channels installed right now. But I needed the MicroSD card when I was at about 30ish???
Post 20 made on Tuesday January 31, 2017 at 22:58
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It is a streaming only world going forth. each device you have will
have more ownership by xfinity or Spectrum. HP servers are being setup
as we speak.
I don't give a hoot . I am not a part of it..Carry on bitches. I'm out.
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Post 21 made on Wednesday February 1, 2017 at 11:13
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On January 31, 2017 at 16:27, Impaqt said...
Now find me one with VOIP for under $100 or 200 for that matter....

Add OOMA?
Post 22 made on Wednesday February 1, 2017 at 11:45
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On January 31, 2017 at 16:27, Impaqt said...
Now find me one with VOIP for under $100 or 200 for that matter....

Here you don't need to (time warner/charter) You use your own modem, keep the all in one for voice only and they drop the monthly lease fee.

[Link: timewarnercable.com]

Found all in ones on amazon for $29 FYI. Docsis 3.0 ones with speeds the average joe won't see from their provider for 10 years are $99.

Last edited by gerard143 on February 1, 2017 12:22.
Post 23 made on Wednesday February 1, 2017 at 11:56
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I've been saying for years that the ultimate business model for any company supplying anything on an ongoing basis is this: we'll charge everybody ten bucks a month, forever, and we'll be very happy about it!

Death of the cable box? That is, one less device for the cable company to maintain, to replace when needed, to stock, to keep track of? That sounds like a very good thing for the cable company.

Whatever you think of it, just don't think it's going to make things cost less. In fact, I think we have a new "pick any two out of three" scenario:

Less cost
More programming
Better equipment features

I'm reminded of Blue Diamond Almonds' ad campaign: "A jar a week, that's all we ask." 2015 sales set a new record of $1.5 billion.

Comcast should be so lucky!
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Post 24 made on Wednesday February 1, 2017 at 12:01
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On January 31, 2017 at 17:08, Mac Burks (39) said...
Ok now add the price of those modems to a router and access point so that "most people" can use their laptop and ipad. Does the cable company configure the 3rd party hardware for free or do we need to add in a geek squad visit to the total?

In 6 months the average good quality cable modem is paid off once you're not paying lease fees. A few more months so is your router.

Why any integrator would want to walk onto the job site and see an all in one modem/router there is beyond me. I see nothing but network issues with them. They are shit. I want to own the network. Not deal with headaches from a low budget freebie combo unit.
Post 25 made on Wednesday February 1, 2017 at 12:07
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On January 31, 2017 at 19:49, scottedge267 said...
Cable providers here will give you the modem for free if it is just used for VOIP. We push cable modems on clients these days just so we can ensure we don't get a combo router when the cable guy shows up.

Exactly. Every integrator should be pushing this. I applaud you for doing this. Amazed to see pushback on this from other integrators.
Post 26 made on Wednesday February 1, 2017 at 12:31
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Then there's the fact that cable companies are pushing their unsecured wifi. You know the one that your leased modem puts out because they want to be the largest wifi providing company?

I know that as the end user you can disable that. But it's a waste of your time to do so. And from what I hear, every time there's a firmware update, you have to go through the process of having it disabled again.

With Dish Network and leasing. It's a little weird. I will talk about the Joey 2.0 because that's what I had to deal with. If you have the Joey leased, it cost $7.00 a month. Where if you have it disabled, you can only do so for 30 or 60 days or else Dish will tag on a $100.00 unreturned fee. Unless you return the Joey or reactivate it.

Or you can purchase the Joey 2.0 for $50 and pay the same $7.00 monthly fee. However, you can disable it for as long as you want as it's customer owned. Then you can reactivate it when you want as well.

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Post 27 made on Wednesday February 1, 2017 at 12:52
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On February 1, 2017 at 12:01, gerard143 said...
In 6 months the average good quality cable modem is paid off once you're not paying lease fees. A few more months so is your router.

Why any integrator would want to walk onto the job site and see an all in one modem/router there is beyond me. I see nothing but network issues with them. They are shit. I want to own the network. Not deal with headaches from a low budget freebie combo unit.

Who said anything about an integrator or a job site? I said "MOST PEOPLE" as in the 98% of the population that are not our customers.

Are you trying to tell me that the average cable customer should buy their own modem/router/access point and pay someone to configure it for them...and then replace it when it fails.?

You will never OWN the networks i am talking about.


The original post is about a cable tv app. Does that sound like what you would push to your clients vs a cable box?

On January 31, 2017 at 14:08, 3PedalMINI said...
Curious how comcast and other firms will handle this going forth. Their cash cow is lease fee's. Will the fees now be per "authorized device?" its not mainstream yet, but will be soon, with others to follow. moves like this will video distribution in large homes less required and a harder sale IMO

interesting for sure! Times are a changing!
[Link: cnet.com]

My response to this post about the average cable customer...that doesnt require our services.

On January 31, 2017 at 14:43, Mac Burks (39) said...
Leasing the modem makes sense for most people. Modems can cost between $100-$300 so it would take 10-30 months to break even. Meanwhile its your modem so if it breaks its your problem.

Last edited by Mac Burks (39) on February 1, 2017 13:04.
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Post 28 made on Wednesday February 1, 2017 at 13:18
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On February 1, 2017 at 12:52, Mac Burks (39) said...
Who said anything about an integrator or a job site? I said "MOST PEOPLE" as in the 98% of the population that are not our customers.

Are you trying to tell me that the average cable customer should buy their own modem/router/access point and pay someone to configure it for them...and then replace it when it fails.?

You will never OWN the networks i am talking about.

The original post is about a cable tv app. Does that sound like what you would push to your clients vs a cable box?

My response to this post about the average cable customer...that doesnt require our services.


Thanks for the clarification.

Me personally I tell everyone I know to ditch the provided modem and save some $. Nowadays with the simple setup wizards included on all the cheap desktop routers it would be pretty sad if they couldn't add a network name. A password. And click done but I wouldn't put it past a lot of people to fail miserably lol.


P.S. love that image. Def need to borrow it lol.
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