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| Topic: | Is Cat6 really needed in a home network enviroment? This thread has 27 replies. Displaying posts 16 through 28. |
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| Post 16 made on Monday January 9, 2017 at 09:34 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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On January 9, 2017 at 00:10, Mario said...
Cat5 for relatively low bandwidth applications like phones, doorbells, keypads, CTRL, IP Cam, etc.
Video distribution gets Cat6 or fiber/conduit if budget allows. ^ ^ ^ This. Mario left LANs off the list, but they should be CAT6. That's not because it's necessarily needed now, but because it will be needed as networks improve and we can already see that it might be needed in the future.
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| Post 17 made on Monday January 9, 2017 at 11:18 |
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Cat6 should be used for EVERYTHING!! Why even stock two SKUs? It takes more time (money) to order, manage stock, haul, carry in to project, two different SKU"s than it does to just use 6 for everything. If it will work on 5, it will work better on 6. larger gauge, better twist, etc. even, doorbell/stations, cameras, etc.
there is 4 cents per foot difference from our distributor!!!!! why would you even bother?
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| Post 18 made on Monday January 9, 2017 at 11:54 |
jrainey Active Member |
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All depends on how many feet you use....50K guy might have one answer vs 1mm guy having another
We don't mind stocking/running Cat5 for low bandwidth as it is the right "tool" for the job.
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| Post 19 made on Monday January 9, 2017 at 14:11 |
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On January 9, 2017 at 03:22, edizzle said...
Bonded pair!!!!! So you are into S&M? LOL
LOL...I sacrifice for my clients.
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| Post 20 made on Monday January 9, 2017 at 16:09 |
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On January 9, 2017 at 11:18, edizzle said...
there is 4 cents per foot difference from our distributor!!!!! why would you even bother? Not sure how this thread went 17 posts before the point was made.
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| OP | Post 21 made on Monday January 9, 2017 at 21:57 |
Hi-FiGuy Super Member |
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The original point was that I have miles of Cat5 and ZERO Cat6
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| Post 22 made on Monday January 9, 2017 at 22:46 |
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On January 9, 2017 at 11:18, edizzle said...
there is 4 cents per foot difference from our distributor!!!!! why would you even bother? Our company pulls over 4.5 million feet of Category cable per year, and 4,500,000 X $0.04 = $180,000. We now pull CAT6 at minimum (unless otherwise specified), but pretending that cost is not a consideration is silly.
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| Post 23 made on Tuesday January 10, 2017 at 12:03 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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On January 9, 2017 at 21:57, Hi-FiGuy said...
The original point was that I have miles of Cat5 and ZERO Cat6 Well, yeah, but it's reasonable to expect you to have that at the moment you first seriously ask this question. You having all that CAT5 is a reason to ask the question! Besides, I thought the original question was more along the line of "am I doing the right thing for my customers and my business?" Moving on a bit, if you had thought about this issue a year ago and had then decided to install CAT6 to lengthen the time before your new installations become obsolete, you'd have either totally switched or you'd have a mix of product so you wouldn't be able to make a point of how much CAT5 you have. As for cost, yes, it's not a lot. Four cents a foot is $211 per mile. Is that a lot? How many miles do you use in your average installation? The price per million feet is misleading as it's still a small percentage of the price of a job. Besides, it's the million foot installation where you'd damn well better use the better cable, since so much more is on the line!
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| Post 24 made on Tuesday January 10, 2017 at 12:59 |
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On January 10, 2017 at 12:03, Ernie Gilman said...
As for cost, yes, it's not a lot. Four cents a foot is $211 per mile. Is that a lot? How many miles do you use in your average installation? The price per million feet is misleading as it's still a small percentage of the price of a job. Besides, it's the million foot installation where you'd damn well better use the better cable, since so much more is on the line! When you're installing low-voltage cabling in 3000+ production homes per year, where margins are already slim, then yes, every cent counts. If you're one-man-in-a-van (like many on this board) then I understand the lack of concern. Our production division has seven two-man crews running pre-wires and trim-outs every single day. Economies of scale run in both directions.
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| Post 25 made on Tuesday January 10, 2017 at 16:01 |
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I think we stopped purchasing cat 5 in 2001 and went strictly cat 6 way back when.
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| Post 26 made on Tuesday January 10, 2017 at 20:15 |
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On January 10, 2017 at 16:01, ceied said...
I think we stopped purchasing cat 5 in 2001 and went strictly cat 6 way back when. One qualification is in order...Are we comparing "CAT 5" and "CAT 6" or "CAT 5e" and "CAT 6?" Anyone using [actual] CAT 5 at this point for anything but phone, low bandwidth control and/or voltage triggers ought not be doing that, IMHO.
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| OP | Post 27 made on Thursday January 12, 2017 at 11:04 |
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On January 10, 2017 at 20:15, Mogul said...
One qualification is in order...Are we comparing "CAT 5" and "CAT 6" or "CAT 5e" and "CAT 6?"
Anyone using [actual] CAT 5 at this point for anything but phone, low bandwidth control and/or voltage triggers ought not be doing that, IMHO. LMAO. 5e
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| Post 28 made on Sunday January 15, 2017 at 14:16 |
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On January 8, 2017 at 22:53, Hi-FiGuy said...
So is there no solutions out there to distribute 4k reliably.
This is my own home and I really don't want equipment scattered all over the home. Crestron DM.
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