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Post 16 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 08:25
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To the C4 crowd, what makes the 260 better than the 250? I have heard from one C4 fanboi that the button layout is perfect on the 260. When I look at the two, the 250 seems better laid out and labeling is much better. From a button standpoint, the 250 looks like it is a much easier remote to use. So what makes the 260 better?
Post 17 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 09:38
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The transport buttons are much better laid out for tactile memory. The quality is also better along with the feeling of the remote. Button presses also feel much much better!

A remote should be something that you pick up and don't have to look at to watch tv.

I've used the little list function here and there, it's rare but it's nice to use when you want todo something quick.
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Post 18 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 12:01
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On December 21, 2016 at 09:38, 3PedalMINI said...
The transport buttons are much better laid out for tactile memory. The quality is also better along with the feeling of the remote. Button presses also feel much much better!

A remote should be something that you pick up and don't have to look at to watch tv.

I've used the little list function here and there, it's rare but it's nice to use when you want todo something quick.

List function? You can't put favorite channel icons on the screen of that turd?
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Post 19 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 12:01
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Elan. We have sold both RTI and Homelogic/Elan for 10+ years (never VIA). Once Elan added the G1, I started weening off the RTI crack pipe.

When the day comes on a bigger project to get the control system setup, I used to dread the road ahead on an RTI system.

When I need to return to large systems I would dread servicing or adding/changing just about anything.

Also Elan remote access is far and away better and has been since 2003.

The new budget remote that is forthcoming will make the system even better, and give Elan a T1B type option.
Post 20 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 17:26
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On December 20, 2016 at 23:15, Audiophiliac said...
I guess it depends on how you use a handheld remote. Mine gets used for watching TV. I do not think I have used the SR260 List navigator once.

Even if you are just using it to watch TV the HR200 would seem to be far superior. In my family room I have four sources. Each is available with a single touch on the screen that pops up when I lift the remote. No scrolling, no sub-menu, my clients don't even have to be able to read. Literally one touch on a picture no matter what source they want to watch.

Heck, I can change the temperature in my house with fewer clicks then my client can pull up his AppleTV using C4, and that isn't hyperbole, I am holding the SR250 that we just had replaced.

I envy the price of the SR260, but literally nothing about it even remotely interests me.

(Yes, the pun was intentional.)
Post 21 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 17:37
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[Link: youtu.be]


This is a very short video showing an HR2 (setup as an HR200) switching rooms and opening a source, followed by changing to a second source.

I'd like to see someone do the same with an SR260, it would be interesting to see how they differ.

(Turn it down if you don't like country music!)
Post 22 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 17:46
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On December 21, 2016 at 17:37, KeithDBrown said...
[Link: youtu.be]

This is a very short video showing an HR2 (setup as an HR200) switching rooms and opening a source, followed by changing to a second source.

I'd like to see someone do the same with an SR260, it would be interesting to see how they differ.

(Turn it down if you don't like country music!)

The TRC1080 would be a close comparison. Its not a touchscreen so you can learn the button placement. The Elan remotes are very attractive remotes though IMHO.
Post 23 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 18:01
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On December 21, 2016 at 17:46, goldenzrule said...
The TRC1080 would be a close comparison. Its not a touchscreen so you can learn the button placement. The Elan remotes are very attractive remotes though IMHO.

True, I do like the TRC for TV watching. Comfortable, logical and feels robust. The touchscreen comes in very handy when doing favorites, thermostat, lighting, etc. But for channel surfing the TRC is pretty slick.
Post 24 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 18:15
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On December 21, 2016 at 18:01, KeithDBrown said...
True, I do like the TRC for TV watching. Comfortable, logical and feels robust. The touchscreen comes in very handy when doing favorites, thermostat, lighting, etc. But for channel surfing the TRC is pretty slick.

I do sorta wish URC made a TC version of the MX1200, but that remote didn't sell well so its never gonna be.

There is a very slick new favorites driver for TC. Works great on the 1080. Not sure that a touchscreen would make it any better.
Post 25 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 20:09
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Does élan g have where you have to sale a certain amount per year to stay a dealer?
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Post 26 made on Wednesday December 21, 2016 at 22:23
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Not to derail he thread, but what aspects of RTI's products are we all trying to escape? With the exception of problematic charge docks on the T2C and T3V and one run of procs with bad MPIO ports, I've had generally excellent results with RTI after abandoning URC in 2009 after the MX810 debacle...I'm curious to know more detail about what's driving this thread.
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Post 27 made on Thursday December 22, 2016 at 00:34
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On December 21, 2016 at 22:23, Mogul said...
Not to derail he thread, but what aspects of RTI's products are we all trying to escape? With the exception of problematic charge docks on the T2C and T3V and one run of procs with bad MPIO ports

100% failure rate on T2c and T3 for locking up and white screening... maybe you forgot?


... after abandoning URC in 2009 after the MX810 debacle...

That's pretty funny there

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Post 28 made on Thursday December 22, 2016 at 12:16
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On December 21, 2016 at 22:23, Mogul said...
Not to derail he thread, but what aspects of RTI's products are we all trying to escape? With the exception of problematic charge docks on the T2C and T3V and one run of procs with bad MPIO ports, I've had generally excellent results with RTI after abandoning URC in 2009 after the MX810 debacle...I'm curious to know more detail about what's driving this thread.

Well lets see

1. Firmware
2. Software (bigger systems)
3. Lead times on product development
4. Tech support
5. General feeling of impending doom
6. Iffy remote access
7. Very Expensive remotes that wear very fast
8. Charging cradles now take 2 hands vs before just not working
9. Did I mention lead times?
Post 29 made on Thursday December 22, 2016 at 19:49
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On December 22, 2016 at 12:16, oprahthehutt. said...
Well lets see

1. Firmware
2. Software (bigger systems)
3. Lead times on product development
4. Tech support
5. General feeling of impending doom
6. Iffy remote access
7. Very Expensive remotes that wear very fast
8. Charging cradles now take 2 hands vs before just not working
9. Did I mention lead times?

Whats the issue with software scaling to bigger systems? have you played with apex and how thats all layed out yet? i've had my personal t2x for years and it still looks brand new. Use it daily. I got over the 2 hands charging thing as soon as apple started using the lighting connector on their docks. Same deal now requires two hands as it grabs the damn thing so much harder. Seems everyone is going that way for better or worse. lead times might be longer but i still feel they have the best overall remotes in the business. product line is pretty well rounded out now. whats lacking can generally be picked up my 3rd party products. Sure they aren't a single shop source like crestron tries to be.
Post 30 made on Thursday December 22, 2016 at 22:52
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On December 22, 2016 at 19:49, gerard143 said...
Whats the issue with software scaling to bigger systems? have you played with apex and how thats all layed out yet? i've had my personal t2x for years and it still looks brand new. Use it daily. I got over the 2 hands charging thing as soon as apple started using the lighting connector on their docks. Same deal now requires two hands as it grabs the damn thing so much harder. Seems everyone is going that way for better or worse. lead times might be longer but i still feel they have the best overall remotes in the business. product line is pretty well rounded out now. whats lacking can generally be picked up my 3rd party products. Sure they aren't a single shop source like crestron tries to be.

The day I had a brand new remote with a defect, and RTI had nothing to replace it with because they disco'd the remote I JUST bought and had no replacement yet, was the day I walked away.
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