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Fade to on off LED strip.
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Post 16 made on Friday November 25, 2016 at 12:23
Ernie Gilman
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On November 24, 2016 at 12:30, tweeterguy said...
Hook up a PIR to hot/neutral to switch out the hot to the outlet. Outlet output feeds a standard 12v transformer/wallwart. 12v transformer powers an LED ramp up/down unit such as this:

[Link: oznium.com]

I was reading too fast and missed a possible problem with this setup. The oznium unit says it's got a constant power connection and a trigger connection. You're assuming, and you're probably right, that the unit will ramp up if you apply master power and trigger at the same moment.

This won't, however, allow the oznium unit to ramp down. To ramp down, it needs power after the trigger has been removed. This setup removes power and trigger at the same time. If you add a couple of 100,000 mfd capacitors to the supply.... then you might get a half second of ramp down.
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Post 17 made on Friday November 25, 2016 at 13:41
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Good catch. Let us know how it goes; was merely shooting from the hip...I'm way past science projects like this these days but would be interested in hearing the outcome.
Post 18 made on Friday November 25, 2016 at 14:04
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Combine with the LED fader mentioned earlier, under bed kit motion kit, $26
[Link: amazon.com]
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Post 19 made on Friday November 25, 2016 at 16:38
Ernie Gilman
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On November 25, 2016 at 14:04, Rob Grabon said...
Combine with the LED fader mentioned earlier, under bed kit motion kit, $26
[Link: amazon.com]

It has
Automatic Turn on and Shut off by human induction in the dark environment. Inductive range: 3.6m (11.8feet), 100°.

What? It won't turn on with deduction, just induction? Not completely logical! Partially logical, though....

Body motion. Snicker.
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Post 20 made on Saturday November 26, 2016 at 11:22
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Is this an exercise to make a simple task into something into an unapproved, over complicated Frankenstein project?

Why not just use a Lutron sensor paired with a wireless dimmer under the bench tied into the receptacle. Magnetic power supply and LED ribbon of your choice (mine would be GM Lighting).

A couple hours, and off the shelf approved to be installed in someones house parts, collect your $1000 and leave.
Post 21 made on Saturday November 26, 2016 at 19:43
Ernie Gilman
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Brad,
I'm obviously misunderstanding. I see a dimmer listed, but nothing to make it dim up and down. In our setup, we used a DMX controller with a thousand steps and, as I said, the last two dozen or so steps were not dimming, but distinctly different steps of light level.
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Post 22 made on Sunday November 27, 2016 at 21:04
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Wireless sensor and dimmer (Maestro wireless or similar) will automatically fade to on, and fade to off when triggered with various time out periods available.
Post 23 made on Monday November 28, 2016 at 11:17
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On November 24, 2016 at 11:24, buzz said...
Use an automotive LED strip that runs from low voltage. Put the strip in parallel with a capacitor and add a resistor in series with the DC power supply that charges the capacitor. The capacitor will charge slowly when power is applied and discharge slowly when power is removed.

Doing it that way will also create a flicker upon startup and fadeout on most strips.
So if the customer is okay with that, then is a good, cheap method.
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Post 24 made on Monday November 28, 2016 at 13:31
Ernie Gilman
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buzz's description will definitely work. There are a couple of caveats.

On November 28, 2016 at 11:17, GotGame said...
Doing it that way will also create a flicker upon startup and fadeout on most strips.
So if the customer is okay with that, then is a good, cheap method.

If the LEDs all turn on at the same voltage, then the only thing you might call flicker would be the LEDs not turning on simultaneously. Wati. I thought about that a bit.

The voltage across the capacitor is increasing gradually. When the LEDs first turn on, they draw current from the cap and that should lower the voltage, perhaps enough for the LEDs to go into a relaxation oscillation mode (look that up). So, yeah, they could flicker.

But I don't see them flickering on the fade to zero. Again, they might not all go off at the same time.

Worse is the effect the resistor will have on your setup. It will always be in series with the LEDs, so there will be a constant voltage drop across it. If your resistor has to be a hundred ohms and the LEDs draw a half amp, once the cap is charged, the resistors will have a voltage drop of 100 x 0.5 = 50 volts! So a 62 volt supply would be needed for 12V LEDs.

Look at your actual product and measure your actual current draw. I think you'll find the resistor and capacitor idea unwieldy. If you amplify your control capability with one transistor, all of this will be much simpler.
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Post 25 made on Monday November 28, 2016 at 14:44
Ernie Gilman
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I ran across some videos that are useful to this thread, but useful in general to anyone working with LEDs, so I put them in their own thread. It's worth the time to watch these videos: [Link: remotecentral.com]
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