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Topic: | Triad In-Ceiling Speakers This thread has 16 replies. Displaying posts 1 through 15. |
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Post 1 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 11:31 |
Dawn Gordon Luks Founding Member |
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Hi folks,
I'm in the middle of a proposal for a new client who wants a mini home theater in their bedroom.
I would normally use in-walls along-side and above the 50-inch plasma screen, but the plasma wall is concrete block, with poured concrete every 4-feet.
Sooo, I'm basically stuck with an in-ceiling installation and we're thinking of using the Triad in-ceiling 8 (Bronze), or the Omni in-ceiling Gold 6.
Here's the question, the room is about 13-feet wide with the bed and plasma on opposite walls. The top of the plasma is 4 feet from the ceiling (10 foot ceiling). Will the sound appear to come from the ceiling, or from the plasma? I know that the Triad's point toward the listening position, but I want to make sure that it will work well in this application.
What do you think?
Dawn
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Post 2 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 12:24 |
doopid Active Member |
Joined: Posts: | August 2004 559 |
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No "aimable" speaker is going to be perfect. Triad speakers, in general, is an excellent line. I don't think the client is going to complain at all.
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Post 3 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 14:46 |
DDeca Long Time Member |
Joined: Posts: | November 2002 435 |
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How about speakers that match the plasma? DefinitiveTechnology Mythos line is excellent and can mount right next to each side of the plasma. They come in silver or black and in two different sizes.
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Post 4 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 15:01 |
QQQ Super Member |
Joined: Posts: | January 2002 4,806 |
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Dawn,
I have used the Triad's with excellent results and I predict your client will be highly satisfied if they are a "normal" client. Will they sound like they are coming from the TV? Well, technically you should have the speaker right behind the screen if you really want it to sound like it's "coming from the screen". In other words, just about everything's a compromise and it certainly won't sound like it's coming from the TV compared to a set up where the speakers can be placed optimally. Having said that, I think you'll have an excellent compromise with very good dialog intelligebility. I've had clients very happy with this set up in their media rooms.
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Post 5 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 15:10 |
cmo Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | April 2002 295 |
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Triads are probably some of the best in-ceilings on the market, alternatively as DDeca mentions - you could use an on-wall speaker. I beleive Triad have a new range, alternatively B&W FPM Series are very good - they produce a speaker designed to complement a 50" plasma which sound great - prodtrudes about the same amount as a typical plasma. [Link: bwspeakers.com]Chris.
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Post 6 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 15:37 |
djnorm Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | January 2002 1,693 |
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We like Triad, but for whatever reason we use more SpeakerCraft AIM, and Niles DS series speakers, and have had good luck with both...
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Post 7 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 16:51 |
The8thst Long Time Member |
Joined: Posts: | October 2004 364 |
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Check out Triad's newer line of onwall speakers. They can be ordered using any line of their drivers and are made to your measurements. So you get speakers that are exactly as tall as the plasma and a center that is exactly as long as the plasma (or however long you want them).
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Post 8 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 17:44 |
flcusat Senior Member |
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The Speakercraft Aim Series are great for what you need.
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Post 9 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 19:53 |
BobL Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | March 2002 1,352 |
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IMHO, the Bronze 8's are a slightly better choice because they have more of an angle 45 degrees versus 35 on the Gold Omni if you are using a sub. The Gold 6's go lower if no sub is being used. In my experience with them in front projector system they sound wonderful and it sounded like the sound was coming from the screen. I couldn't tell they were above it. With the screen up and listening to music it seemed a little unnatural to hear sound above you. If the customers aren't audiophiles they won't notice. If they are they know the sacrifices of not having speakers at ear level. Also, the Onwall Bronzes are a good suggestion.
Bob
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Post 10 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 20:09 |
Ernie Bornn-Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
Joined: Posts: | December 2001 30,104 |
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Ditto the advice about the Triads. Be sure you get the 14" by 14"n ot 14" x 19", if your joists run the wrong way....
As for the sound, this is an example of theory being way more restrictive than reality.
I work with a company whose owner first did this for his brother when there was just no other way to mount the speakers. It sounds great. We have done it several times since, always with excellent results.
If you want to let theory intrude, then the speaker suggested above with 45 degrees of aimability is your better choice, and you want the speakers as far as possible from the listener so the sound comes from as low an angle as possible. This means that the 45 degrees of adjustability will not be nearly enough for theory, but it will sound great.
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Post 11 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 20:40 |
2nd rick Super Member |
Joined: Posts: | August 2002 4,521 |
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I have used the Triad InCeiling Omnis with thre angled baffles before and love them. IMHO, any of the Triads will outperform the Sonance, Niles, and 'Craft products (even the AIMs), but they should, they're made with european audiophile drivers instead of asian knock-offs of european audiophile drivers.
And of course there's Triad's secret ingredient... real wood!!
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Post 12 made on Tuesday November 16, 2004 at 20:40 |
On 11/16/04 20:01 ET, QQQ said...
Dawn,
I have used the Triad's with excellent results and I predict your client will be highly satisfied if they are a "normal" client. Will they sound like they are coming from the TV? Well, technically you should have the speaker right behind the screen if you really want it to sound like it's "coming from the screen". In other words, just about everything's a compromise and it certainly won't sound like it's coming from the TV compared to a set up where the speakers can be placed optimally. Having said that, I think you'll have an excellent compromise with very good dialog intelligebility. I've had clients very happy with this set up in their media rooms. DITTO! to this. We even used them for the rear channels as well. The fidelity is so good that any psychoacoustic anomolies that might be apparent are somewhat forgiven. Also, if the room is used for entertaining, this placement provides less obstructed sound than an in wall or floor standing model would since it isn't being diffused by bodies in the room as much.
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Post 13 made on Wednesday November 17, 2004 at 01:00 |
Malcolm013 Long Time Member |
Joined: Posts: | November 2004 461 |
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How bout the Sonance Silver screens?
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Post 14 made on Wednesday November 17, 2004 at 01:05 |
2nd rick Super Member |
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On 11/17/04 06:00 ET, Malcolm013 said...
How bout the Sonance Silver screens? They are now discontinued... I heard that there are still plenty to fill orders because they seriously overestimated the demand.
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Rick Murphy Troy, MI |
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OP | Post 15 made on Wednesday November 17, 2004 at 07:45 |
Dawn Gordon Luks Founding Member |
Joined: Posts: | September 2001 1,178 |
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On 11/17/04 01:09 ET, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
Ditto the advice about the Triads. Be sure you get the 14" by 14"n ot 14" x 19", if your joists run the wrong way.... Ernie, Which model is 14 x 14? Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. Wall mounted speakers are out because we're putting the Plasma in a VisionArt frame, and speakers on either side would look really weird -- even those from Artcoustic. Another option I'm considering is the CoNEXTion speaker. I had a chance to listen to it at CEDIA and it was pretty good. They had it in an A/B setup with another well-known pivoting brand, and it sounded much better. It's also the first three-way, round in-ceiling I've ever seen. I don't think it will be better sonically than the Triads, but maybe it weill image better. What do you think? Here's the link: [Link: conextionsystems.com]
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