Lotta good thought there John.

Still no 'facts' regarding Clinton's lawbreaking or shadiness. Demand somebody show the goods and everybody loses their minds. Or pushes fallacy that everybody is the same, just two sides to the same coin, just sheeple following 'the media' and their own parties. That's a copout, a vote of why bother to discuss things because ideology. If you want to admit that about yourself that's great, accepting the fact that you've been suckered by BS is the first step, and we all have.

But don't assume I'm the mirror opposite of you, on an equal footing and somewhat equivalent. Don't drag me down to your level. You either accept or reject BS. I'm for rejecting it. There is a ton of BS floating around regarding the political candidates, that much is obvious. Many on the left have bought the right's 25 year campaign of bs and wear it as a badge. You go ahead and own it. If I reject that 25 yr campaign of bs I'm not the opposite of you: you accept BS and I don't.

Let's call it what it is.

OK, suckered in to this conversation again.

PaPa, there are plenty of facts regarding HRC's lying, corruption, crimes, etc. that are out there.

Stating them again for you to thumb your nose at is useless.

EVERYTHING that you accuse everybody else of, you are just as guilty. You have bought in to your side of the BS, but you can not see it. You fight just as hard as the other side, but putting yourself ABOVE the rest of us.

Just because you might have the time to copy and paste more of your sides BS, does not make you any smarter.

I already know your response....more of the same. That does not mean that I would not have a beer summit though, cause I love beer!

Why don't you go and adopt a few kids.

That is what I am about to be spending the rest of my day on.

Adopting some kids would be tough for him to do, he would have to put others first over his own ego.

Don't see that happening.

I think a good start would be to look at the Pacs and Super Pacs that support her.

A 2nd good look would be what the DNC did to Bernie. I guess all is fair in love, war and politics. Bernie would have received my vote, not because I agree with all of his proposed policies, but because he was a refreshing statue of honesty and integrity, which is sadly missing in our political process. But in politics, nice guys don't finish first. I'm not sure Bernie's age could have stood up to the strain of the office though.

If you believe that Hillary is clean as a whistle, then you can keep your 25 years of shortsightedness. I'm not buying it or biting on that hook. When you need help removing that hook, let me know and I'll come with a pair of needle nose vice grips and a flask of good tequila. :=)

Rhea, all this talk of secession. I really do wish you would hurry the f*ck up and secede already. I'll even help pack your suitcase. Pat you on the butt, give you a six pack and bid you adios (pun intended). Take your oil too. I don't think the rest of the nation will miss it nearly as much as you think we will. Tejasvania would make a good name for it. Take Oklahoma while you're at it. ;)

I say they can only secede if they take Hawaii with them.

I would take Texoma over ANYTHING that the east and west coast elites are delivering up. Please do not call when you are freezing your ass off in the winter because you have no oil or natural gas.

Meet you at the border for a beer though. ;>)

You would be calling it Cerveza.

I don't drink the stuff, but I do drink wine. Oh wait, not much wine making going on in Texas or Oklahoma. Good thing you won't miss NorCal, Oregon or Washington wine then.

Yes, I looked at that. So what is your point? She has come out with a platform that will challenge Citizens United. At least she says the right words about it.


I did look at what the DNC supposedly did. Much ado about nothing. Some people said some shady stuff but really, no there there. If anybody would be so kind as to point out what specifically happened instead of 'DNC screwed Bernie' then maybe we can talk about it. But like 'Hillary is shady' there is rarely any specifics. Lost is the fact that Bernie was an independant for almost his entire career: he registered as a Democrat in 2015 so he could run. Then complained about DNC rules and policy. And there was lots of grumbling. And nothing else. Except for the small fact that he got beat by Clinton to the tune of 3.7m votes.


This is the fallacy I was just speaking of: since I reject your assertion it does not mean I believe the mirror opposite of your belief. It's merely an outright exaggeration as I do not believe Clinton is clean as a whistle. Far from it. I also don't believe all the narratives and laughable farces that are products of years of right wing disinformation. A campaign that has worked on both the left and the right - the Berniacs regurgitate all that disinformation with the same zeal as Teabaggers.


Now I can agree with you on that. I was thinking Texastan.

No there isn't. Just lots of people on forums regurgitating that 'there are plenty of facts regarding HRC's lying, corruption, crimes, etc. that are out there.' This is called a narrative, a belief. Devoid of fact. 


The Fallacy of Both Sides again. I've challenged somebody, anybody, to pick a specific issue and let's get down to the actual fact. One fact, one issue, to keep it simple.

The difference you cannot see, and most others cannot either, is I am challenging the myth and BS you're spouting. You interpret that I believe and am spouting the opposite ideology. When I present actual facts (or links to scientific studies) you think that is alternative ideology to yours.

And therein lies the problem. This is why it never goes anywhere and people get hurt feels. This explains the attempt to project that your opponent is operating at the same level as you, just mirrored opposite. But that is not what is happening.

We all see that you are on the top of the mountain.

You and you alone.

Yet an uphill battle.

The guy is a bloviating parrot.