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So okay: if not the MX850, then what?
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Post 16 made on Thursday June 30, 2016 at 20:30
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Alex Trabek, "This remote is dubbed the worlds ugliest remote"


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On June 30, 2016 at 20:25, 3PedalMINI said...
C4

Last edited by goldenzrule on June 30, 2016 20:40.
OP | Post 17 made on Thursday June 30, 2016 at 22:44
Ernie Gilman
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Well, boys, this information is one HELL of a lot better than "it's time to ditch the 850"! And this is exactly why I asked. This is the best collection of URC information in one place I've ever seen!

This was not at all helpful because no actual information was given:
On June 30, 2016 at 20:25, 3PedalMINI said...
C4

Thanks, everyone.
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Post 18 made on Friday July 1, 2016 at 00:20
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On June 30, 2016 at 19:22, Stryker said...
Ive used the MX-980 as a goto remote for years
Just got my first MX-990 20 minutes ago and so far I like it.

Like Mr tonks said. thinner lighter, color buttons etc

+1^^^^ All of this. Has always been my go-to as well. There's also something about the pickup sensor that makes it feel like a smart piece. Love the 990 too, did two this week.
Post 19 made on Friday July 1, 2016 at 00:23
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890 has the pickup sensor as well, as does the 1200
Post 20 made on Friday July 1, 2016 at 07:25
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On June 30, 2016 at 20:25, 3PedalMINI said...
C4

Different animal. URC MX series is all IR/RF- rock solid and no complications with any network issues.
Post 21 made on Friday July 1, 2016 at 09:10
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We been doing the MX900 + MRF350 combo for at least the last decade. No problems other than occasionally swapping button pads on heavily used remotes.

Rep recently said the MX900 were soon going away. That would suck.

I dicked around with programming an MX850 once... what a CF.
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Post 22 made on Friday July 1, 2016 at 21:23
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Used MX900 for years. Great remote! Good battery life.

Started using the MX980. Better remote, and rechargeable batteries.

Have sold and use the MX880 (precursor to the MX890) and clients like it. Batteries seem to last a long time before needing recharged.



I thought the old SL9000 was actually better than the MX850... :-)
Post 23 made on Friday July 1, 2016 at 22:17
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One thing is for sure, C4 is the fastest to commission and arguably best. That being said, my vote goes to MX-780 or 890 as a step up
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OP | Post 24 made on Friday July 1, 2016 at 22:55
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On July 1, 2016 at 22:17, iimig said...
...my vote goes to MX-780 or 890 as a step up

The idea was not to go a step up, but to replace an out-of-date remote with one that performed as well and solved its major problems. We've seen cooler hipper remotes that lasted a year; what we needed was a nice-looking clunker that would last for ten.
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Post 25 made on Saturday July 2, 2016 at 03:14
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On July 1, 2016 at 22:55, Ernie Gilman said...
The idea was not to go a step up, but to replace an out-of-date remote with one that performed as well and solved its major problems. We've seen cooler hipper remotes that lasted a year; what we needed was a nice-looking clunker that would last for ten.

You thought you knew what you wanted, but we, being technology experts, and smarter, gave you what you really need.
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Post 26 made on Saturday July 2, 2016 at 10:06
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Control4.

One remote that fits all projects. Single room TV, yup $600.
Multiroom project, bigger processor, but same remote.

Tech support calls, my guys know which remote they have.

Minor tweaks, sure, we can do that for you from the office.
AA batteries, yup got those.
Want rechargeable instead, no problem, it's done as an add on kit, same remote.
Dog ate the remote, I'll send you a new one, call me when it arrives and we'll commission it. (oh, and it's only $200, not $600 or more)
Different SKUs to stock, nope.
Durable, yup.
Fully customizable, nope. But from a client perspective, that hasn't been an issue, for MOST clients it all they need, I'm not saying it's for everyone, but for most.
Reliable RF, you betcha.
RF repeaters if necessary, sure
Expandable, tons. Lights, HVAC, Cameras, Sensors
IP Control, we got that too.
RS232, yup, and even a check box for a null modem cable setup in programming.
HUGE device library, yes, and it's free (there are some 3rd party drivers that cost)
App to troubleshoot, yup. ("My range doesn't seem the same", open app, you're battery is at 8%, dude).
Lesson Time - press "Watch" select the source you want to view.
Includes streaming music services too; Pandora, Rhapsody, Tune In, Tidal, MP3, Wave, AIFF, FLAC!
On screen gui - very cool, but not required
Sonos support - oh yeah
Smart phone / tablet app - FREE
Client control from offsite - yearly fee (someone's got to pay for the VPN servers)
Apple Airplay - included
Software updates and improvements - regularly, free for the most part.
Easy to order - yup
Sold in distribution - NOPE
Support for older equipment - as much as the older stuff can handle.

Lets do a standard family room: Sony TV, Sony Blu-ray, Sonos Playbar, Apple TV and a Set top box. That's one emitter (assuming it's a cable box, cause satellite is also IP), the rest are IP. Once the network setup and Sonos setup work is done, you can program this system in 30 minutes. (oh and since the Sonos is IP, there's no TV vendor stupid volume bar on screen that doesn't match the level of the Soundbar to explain either)

Oh and to repeat, all that for $600 retail for a processor and remote, batteries are included.
Technology is cheap, Time is expensive.
Post 27 made on Saturday July 2, 2016 at 10:14
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Hey
On July 2, 2016 at 10:06, Rob Grabon said...
Control4.

One remote that fits all projects. Single room TV, yup $600.
Multiroom project, bigger processor, but same remote.

Tech support calls, my guys know which remote they have.

Minor tweaks, sure, we can do that for you from the office.
AA batteries, yup got those.
Want rechargeable instead, no problem, it's done as an add on kit, same remote.
Dog ate the remote, I'll send you a new one, call me when it arrives and we'll commission it. (oh, and it's only $200, not $600 or more)
Different SKUs to stock, nope.
Durable, yup.
Fully customizable, nope. But from a client perspective, that hasn't been an issue, for MOST clients it all they need, I'm not saying it's for everyone, but for most.
Reliable RF, you betcha.
RF repeaters if necessary, sure
Expandable, tons. Lights, HVAC, Cameras, Sensors
IP Control, we got that too.
RS232, yup, and even a check box for a null modem cable setup in programming.
HUGE device library, yes, and it's free (there are some 3rd party drivers that cost)
App to troubleshoot, yup. ("My range doesn't seem the same", open app, you're battery is at 8%, dude).
Lesson Time - press "Watch" select the source you want to view.
Includes streaming music services too; Pandora, Rhapsody, Tune In, Tidal, MP3, Wave, AIFF, FLAC!
On screen gui - very cool, but not required
Sonos support - oh yeah
Smart phone / tablet app - FREE
Client control from offsite - yearly fee (someone's got to pay for the VPN servers)
Apple Airplay - included
Software updates and improvements - regularly, free for the most part.
Easy to order - yup
Sold in distribution - NOPE
Support for older equipment - as much as the older stuff can handle.

Lets do a standard family room: Sony TV, Sony Blu-ray, Sonos Playbar, Apple TV and a Set top box. That's one emitter (assuming it's a cable box, cause satellite is also IP), the rest are IP. Once the network setup and Sonos setup work is done, you can program this system in 30 minutes. (oh and since the Sonos is IP, there's no TV vendor stupid volume bar on screen that doesn't match the level of the Soundbar to explain either)

Oh and to repeat, all that for $600 retail for a processor and remote, batteries are included.

Plus $400-$600 starting for a network worth a damn to support it. Your $600 remote, although powerful, is $1000-$1200 to start. If you want to go with a full automation aystem, that's a discussion for another thread. For a standalone, relatively inexpensive solution, C4 is not the answer. It has its place, sure, but a client that scoffs at a $299 remote is not gonna open their mind to a $1200 remote no matter what features you throw at it.
Post 28 made on Saturday July 2, 2016 at 10:28
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On July 2, 2016 at 10:14, goldenzrule said...
Hey
Plus $400-$600 starting for a network worth a damn to support it. Your $600 remote, although powerful, is $1000-$1200 to start.

Not true.

If you're doing multiple processors, then you need to address the network. Want reliable streaming for music or video regardless of which black box you sell, then you have to ditch the ISP router. But for a single room theater, you can live on their network just fine, and the processor can be WiFi.

It's no different than anything else we sell that attaches to the net. Want it reliable, want the apps, streaming, integrated stuff, then you need to own the network.
Technology is cheap, Time is expensive.
Post 29 made on Saturday July 2, 2016 at 13:04
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Ron is missing the point of the thread.


You're replacing a MX850, no need for a network and no need for a HUGE step up.
Post 30 made on Monday July 4, 2016 at 16:09
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For the guys that sell them, why the 990 over the 890? I replaced my 980 with an 890 and feel like it was an upgrade.

What does the 990 give you over the 890 other than 2 more soft keys, but losing the 4 colors and a REC button?
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