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X Box 360 won't display through Marantz NR1504.
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Post 1 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 16:20
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No HDMI extenders and short runs (6'+15'). I have tried all resolutions and turned off all bells and whistles on the X Box.

If I insert coupler where receiver is it works fine.

SEEMS IMPORTANT: As soon as I plug the game into the AVR I no longer get Volume and input (OSD) from the AVR, just "No signal" on the TV.

I have done dozens of these in the past with no issues. In fact I mocked up the exact receiver and display that went with this Xbox which was working before and now it will not.

Last edited by FreddyFreeloader on February 24, 2016 09:08.
Post 2 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 16:26
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If you select a different input on the AVR, say Blue Ray. Does the OSD work with and with out the xBox plugged into the AVR? Just making sure the xBox isn't over powering the HDMI switcher on the AVR.

You said that you turned off all of the bells and whistles on the xBox, how about on the AVR? Like upscaling and what not.

KOT
OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 16:34
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On February 23, 2016 at 16:26, King of typos said...
If you select a different input on the AVR, say Blue Ray. Does the OSD work with and with out the xBox plugged into the AVR? Just making sure the xBox isn't over powering the HDMI switcher on the AVR.

You said that you turned off all of the bells and whistles on the xBox, how about on the AVR? Like upscaling and what not.

KOT

Thanks for helping. I moved the Xbox to another tested/working AVR input. The behavior is the same: I get a "no signal" on the TV screen until I unhook the game from the input. Boom OSD comes back.

Marantz has confirmed this model AVR does not allow any selectable output scaling.
Post 4 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 16:37
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have you tried resetting the resolution to default on the xbox?

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OP | Post 5 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 18:59
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Tried res reset and no dice.

Thanks guys, I went ahead and rigged up HDMI-->TV-->Optical into AVR for now.

This is nuts. I've never had an issue... and no issue with this exact setup hooked up the exact same way when it was at their old house.
Post 6 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 19:20
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On February 23, 2016 at 16:34, FreddyFreeloader said...
Thanks for helping. I moved the Xbox to another tested/working AVR input. The behavior is the same: I get a "no signal" on the TV screen until I unhook the game from the input. Boom OSD comes back.

Marantz has confirmed this model AVR does not allow any selectable output scaling.

I meant for you to plug the xBox into input A, plug a blue ray into input B. Switch the AVR to input B and see if the OSD still works. If not, unplug the xBox from input A and test again.

Just figuring out if the xBox itself isn't over powering the HDMI switcher in the AVR.

KOT
Post 7 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 19:51
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What would be the technically correct name or descrition for this "over powering the HDMI"? I thought these signal voltages were all tightly controlled within limits, at particular impedances, and therefore literal overpowering could not occur. Is this just another damn HDMI problem that we don't have a good explanation for, so we call it overpowering? Name-wise, is this like the amateur electrician who describes every electrical problem as a short?

Not trying to bust balls, just trying to see if there's already a term for what's happening.
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Post 8 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 20:06
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Have you tried another known working HDMI cable from the Xbox to the AVR? I know you tried it direct to TV via a coupler but...well you know, it's HDMI.
Post 9 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 20:12
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On February 23, 2016 at 19:51, Ernie Gilman said...
What would be the technically correct name or descrition for this "over powering the HDMI"? I thought these signal voltages were all tightly controlled within limits, at particular impedances, and therefore literal overpowering could not occur. Is this just another damn HDMI problem that we don't have a good explanation for, so we call it overpowering? Name-wise, is this like the amateur electrician who describes every electrical problem as a short?

Not trying to bust balls, just trying to see if there's already a term for what's happening.

What would the technical term be for a problem that I had a few years ago?

The two devices were a Dish 722k receiver and a Pioneer Elite AVR (no HDMI). The 722k was hooked up to the AVR via component cable for video and optical for audio.

The AVR would freeze up every time the 722k was put on pause. Whether it be a DVR recording or a Live TV on pause.

If this xBox is making the AVR's OSD not to work, then what else would you call it? Obviously something is going on there. What exactly is not in my realm of knowledge and probably not your's either.

KOT
Post 10 made on Tuesday February 23, 2016 at 22:30
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I had a similar problem with a sony bluray player and onkyo avr. From what I could see it didn't over power the HDMI but was stuck in the handshake mode that is normally a brief blip of no video. My problem was resolved by turning off deep color in the avr.
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Post 11 made on Wednesday February 24, 2016 at 05:19
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Is all of the CEC turned off?
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OP | Post 12 made on Wednesday February 24, 2016 at 09:10
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On February 23, 2016 at 16:26, King of typos said...
If you select a different input on the AVR, say Blue Ray. Does the OSD work with and with out the xBox plugged into the AVR?
KOT

Yes

On February 24, 2016 at 05:19, Craig Aguiar-Winter said...
Is all of the CEC turned off?

Im not sure. I haven't looked through the TVs menu and I definitely don't recall seeing anything about CEC the Xbox menu.

Luckily this is my sisters house so next time I'll look.
Post 13 made on Wednesday February 24, 2016 at 09:24
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On February 24, 2016 at 09:10, FreddyFreeloader said...
Luckily this is my sisters house so next time I'll look.

Have another xBox to bring with you to test? That's what I would do.

KOT


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