Every statement he makes is unfair and untrue. Negative is his middle name.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. I appreciate the humor as well. :)

Total Control is a want to be control system that relies on 3rd party software (DASHos) todo basic home automation functions, And I do mean BASIC. If that doesnt scare you then I dont know what does. What is even more perplexing is the fact that TC wont do anything to change that.

C4 Is a true automation system, and as long as you play in their sandbox, or are clever enough to figure out usable workarounds then C4 is your solution and works for 99% of resi jobs now. Now with the EA1 that comes with the remote, it literally makes it $50 more the URCs CHEAPEST solution. AND it will program quicker AND gives them a Mobile APP...

There is no comparison. One is a Beast, the other is wannabe control system.

Thanks 3Ped. Not a bad response. Seems like this forum has turned into a place to talk shit. Not a whole lot of intelligent responses lately. Not like 10 years ago.

I don't use Control4 but do use TC pretty regularly. What can you do with C4 that I can't accomplish with TC? And I don't use DashOS.

Here we go. You can't be talentless an do either one. Both have a plus and minus. C4 can do a lot if you know how to do it.

After experiencing Crestron, the only negative thing I can say about is it is too involved of a product not to do it regularly, and was too much for me to learn and have two very young children at the same time. But the product is robust and solid (and expensive) if done properly.

Rti is capable, but a pain in the ass, the $150 per app license puts people off, and product takes too long to develop.

URC is what it is, good for who ever wants to incorporate it, and was my go to for one room systems until C4 came out with their new processor/remote combo. TC is a good intermediate in between CCP and C4, but but as robust as C4.

I know it was a C4 TC question, but that is my general opinion on the 2 plus the others I've experienced as some Crestron guys are chiming in and insinuating that if its not Crestron its crap and if you can't program Crestron you don't know what your are doing.

What are your plans for either one? Why are you fixated on just these two options? Are you a dealer/installer looking for a new line or an end user looking fir a product to fit your home or business?

You can pretty much ignore any "this one is better" comments because both companies are still in business.

Couldn't disagree with you more. I've had my issues with TC. A whole Internet full of people bitching about C4 have had issues with C4. I have managed to do every single thing a client has asked of me with TC. My gripes are slow download times, lack of good smaller keypads, things like that.

My largest job I have done with TC is a client that had C4 in his old house. He's every bit as happy now and then some.

Your experience with TC was poor. You are a product of their crappy training program. That resulted in issues you did not have the experience to work through. I definitely think URC needs a much better training program that all TC dealers MUST go through.

Now, you went down to Carolina and went through a more extensive training program for C4. You learned how to program there, I assume became active on their forums, and really dove in to setting up/programming a system on your own for the first time. That has enabled you to roll out reliable and repeatable systems with C4.

Lastly, knocking TC because Dash adds value that TC at present cannot do on its own is a bit hypocritical when you consider that C4's path to improve is to simply buy other companies and integrate their products rather then develop from within. Point is neither have gotten to be the solutions they currently are on their own. You simply received better training from one, resulting in a better understanding of what is required to put together a reliable system.

Lastly, with TC, you can get into a system for $600, which includes ios and android mobile apps. $1000 and you get all that and a wifi remote with instant connection, a nice bright screen, with full metadata capabilites with music, hvac, cameras and more.

Now that that is out of the way, hope we can still be friends.

To the OP. TC and C4 will both do what you are looking for likely. I think one has better touch panels and the other has better remotes. One is a bit more customizable, but neither are a do whatever you want solution like Crestron. Both can be deployed pretty fast and easily. One is a public company which needs to please it's investors. One is a private company that offers product both direct and through many distributors.

Research both and get on board with one and stick with it. They both evolve quickly so jumping around from company to company will result in difficulties properly supporting systems you previously installed. GET whatever system you go with in YOUR house. Live with it. You will be your own beta tester and learn the system inside and out. Your clients will be much better off for it.

That's all well and good but check back with him in 6-12 months when he has a bad experience with C4 on one job and is now on to something else. FWIW, most (including my) posts were the result of Friday night ball-busting. Stick around until Monday when the logical answers appear ;)
Or read the last paragraph from the post above...that's all you need to know.

as of last week, $600 with control4 gets you Phones, tablets, AND a handheld remote with metadata.... And OSD... and a 24/192 Music server with Pandora, Tidal, Rhapsody, and Deezer streaming...

From what I have been told from other C4 dealers, is c4 lacks flexibility. It just is what it is, they say.

What is that crestron can do that you cant do with TC and Dash React? There are dealers that have cut their Crestron sales and move a lot of their biz to TC. When asking about differences, Im not talking about 20k sq foot homes.

I dont recall one question from a customer that I had to say "No, TC cant do that".

OSD is not something I worry about in terms of a missing feature. I can give an OSD experience but clients always opt against it. No doubt the price point of of the new C4 controller is attractive, as are the feature set. Gotta wonder, as a dealer, where do you make money on it? Some of the same people that drool over these package deals also slam Sonos for being a low margin product.

I was looking at C4 until I read the part about how they can and DO cut off dealers for not minting margin. That means if you have a bad quarter or year, you could find yourself not being able to support past clients. Thst was enough to end my research. The mere possibility put it as a line I cannot work with. At least if my numbers dip with TC, and for some reason they take my direct dealership away (which I have not heard of URC doing), I can still walk into two local disty's or purchase from a number of national disty's and still support MY customers.

Let's not get crazy. All these systems are what they are. V Crestron is on a different level. Yes, 99% of regular resi jobs can be done with either c4 or TC, or Savant as well,. But none of them are on the same level as Crestron.

never noticed. Dont know who he is nor followed his posts. Seen him before but other than that,,,,

And not meant to be offensive.