The one thing I haven't heard anybody talking about in this whole "white actor" thing has been quality of work. Only race has been mentioned.
The next video is also pretty revealing. And the same crap happens today.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything. "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Sure, it is. Try as we might, almost everyone is at least slightly racist in some way.
But my point is that Hollywood is being criticized for not giving awards to people of color, not for not giving awards to people of color who gave amazing performances last year. What list of performances did anyone give, saying this, or that, should have been rewarded?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything. "The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
On January 19, 2016 at 23:08, Ernie Gilman said...
Sure, it is. Try as we might, almost everyone is at least slightly racist in some way.
But my point is that Hollywood is being criticized for not giving awards to people of color, not for not giving awards to people of color who gave amazing performances last year. What list of performances did anyone give, saying this, or that, should have been rewarded?
I have heard plenty of discussions regarding who was worthy of an award. These are not my personal opinions as I haven't seen most of the movies in question, nor do I really have any idea if Hollywood is racist or not. But they following were specifically mentioned as potentially award worthy:
Idris Elba - Beasts of No Nation
Will Smith - Concussion
Michael B. Jordan - Creed
F. Gary Gray - Director of Straight Outta Compton
The breakdown here is that all of this is SO subjective. Maybe a completely unbiased panel decided that the actors/directors that were nominated simply were more deserving. Maybe it was blatant racism. Unfortunately because of the subjectivity it is incredibly difficult to determine if there was/wasn't an unfair bias based on race.
The real problem with regards to diversity in Hollywood might be related to opportunities for minorities in jobs behind the scenes, but again, these are all creative jobs and by nature subjective. Actors and directors of color who have made a lot of money for studios clearly have received their fair share of fame, income, etc.
Is it harder for an up and coming Black or Hispanic director to get an opportunity to prove themselves in the industry? Probably.
There clearly isn't a magic bullet. Creating separate categories for minorities would be pandering in the worst way. Forcing change by instituting some form of affirmative action would seem to be similarly misguided. It would seem the best plan is for those of us that do our best not to see color as something divisive to pass that on to our kids, and to do everything we can to show that love and concern for those around us.
On January 20, 2016 at 09:55, Trunk-Slammer -Supreme said...
Pretty much any performance by Morgan Freeman should be worthy of an award.
After all, isn't the idea to entertain?
Honestly, I think these award shows are a waste of good money and time.
No. Their goal is to make money. If people are entertained, that's nice, too.
What is the first stat when a movie is released? Dollars brought in on the first weekend. Is there any mention of the performances? Maybe.
I didn't write "...when a new movie is released" because so few are actually new. Has anyone else noticed how many are re-releases and sometimes, they're on the 3rd or 4th version?
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Screw him. Nobody should be denied anything due to race and there should not be any special consideration or category created for any race. That goes for awards, jobs, waiting lines at a dam baloon festival, or whatever.
The majority of Hollywood is run by a bunch of old white Jews. Are they prejudice? Maybe. But the omissions are primarily because their lives and reality are about as separate from black lives as can be. I don't think black culture even registers on their radar. Mexicans probably clean their homes, do their yard and pool work.
Opportunities for blacks in Hollywood are probably just as much an omission of ignorance as prejudice. Black people? Aren't they those people with dark skin who we are always hearing about on the news and play a lot of sports?
These moguls don't listen to black music, don't wander down to Compton, don't watch BET and don't watch the few black made and acted movies that actually make it to the the theaters. How are they supposed to vote for a movie (Like Out of Compton, which is a severe omission to the Academy Award nominations), when they have not seen it and it barely registers on their radar screen?
Now as to the Academy Awards. Who cares. It's just a bunch of Hollywood masturbation. Who watches that shit anyway? I say to Spike and Will Smith...boycott away and save that money you would spend on a tux. No one cares anyway about this event except a bunch of wankers. I'd rather watch paint dry.
But the awards, ANY awards, should be based on merit and should consider the entire playing filed. As to the dilemma of why aren't there more black actors, directors, screen writers, editors cinematographers, etc... See my first paragraph on this post.
Chasing Ernie's post count, one useless post at a time.
The majority of Hollywood is run by a bunch of old white Jews. Are they prejudice? Maybe. But the omissions are primarily because their lives and reality are about as separate from black lives as can be. I don't think black culture even registers on their radar. Mexicans probably clean their homes, do their yard and pool work.
Opportunities for blacks in Hollywood are probably just as much an omission of ignorance as prejudice. Black people? Aren't they those people with dark skin who we are always hearing about on the news and play a lot of sports?
These moguls don't listen to black music, don't wander down to Compton, don't watch BET and don't watch the few black made and acted movies that actually make it to the the theaters. How are they supposed to vote for a movie (Like Out of Compton, which is a severe omission to the Academy Award nominations), when they have not seen it and it barely registers on their radar screen?
Now as to the Academy Awards. Who cares. It's just a bunch of Hollywood masturbation. Who watches that shit anyway? I say to Spike and Will Smith...boycott away and save that money you would spend on a tux. No one cares anyway about this event except a bunch of wankers. I'd rather watch paint dry.
But the awards, ANY awards, should be based on merit and should consider the entire playing filed. As to the dilemma of why aren't there more black actors, directors, screen writers, editors cinematographers, etc... See my first paragraph on this post.
Hard to believe that we agree but I feel you are correct. Human nature is to assimilate. We are going to hang out with, support, and make opportunities people who are similar to you. This could mean color, economically, beliefs, or similar are more likely to form groups because those in the group are more like them. Racism to me means you HATE another race. I think the majority of American does not have a problem with African American's, Mexican's, Asian's, etc. if they think the same way or have the same background. Saying everything is racism only classifies things more than it does bringing us together.
"Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!"
Hard to believe that we agree but I feel you are correct. Human nature is to assimilate. We are going to hang out with, support, and make opportunities people who are similar to you. This could mean color, economically, beliefs, or similar are more likely to form groups because those in the group are more like them. Racism to me means you HATE another race. I think the majority of American does not have a problem with African American's, Mexican's, Asian's, etc. if they think the same way or have the same background. Saying everything is racism only classifies things more than it does bringing us together.
The word is prejudice. A large portion (maybe all of us) have prejudices towards all sorts of categories or people, places, or things.
The tables are completely lopsided in that arena (Hollywood) and as you guys have alluded too things will change and become more blended. The ability for consumers to access content via other channels is going to level the playing field far faster then any awards show. While it has to be amazing to win such a highly regarded honor we all know that the roles and movies commonly honored are not necessarily the best.
The information age is upon us and while there are still plenty of ignorant people I can see hope.
Is Hollywood racist? Who the f**k cares? Sorry, I really can't get emotionally invested in extremely wealthy celebrities whining because they got snubbed for an award that is pointless and has been proven year after year to be out of touch with the actual public's opinion.
As for Morgan freeman, while I typically enjoy his work, maybe the reason he can't get nominated is because he can only play one part, the wise old black man. And if everyone is being honest, while Will Smith's films sometimes have a little more action to them, all he can really play is a young version of Morgan Freeman.
Civil War reenactment is LARPing for people with no imagination.
The majority of Hollywood is run by a bunch of old white Jews. Are they prejudice? Maybe. But the omissions are primarily because their lives and reality are about as separate from black lives as can be. I don't think black culture even registers on their radar. Mexicans probably clean their homes, do their yard and pool work.
Opportunities for blacks in Hollywood are probably just as much an omission of ignorance as prejudice. Black people? Aren't they those people with dark skin who we are always hearing about on the news and play a lot of sports?
These moguls don't listen to black music, don't wander down to Compton, don't watch BET and don't watch the few black made and acted movies that actually make it to the the theaters. How are they supposed to vote for a movie (Like Out of Compton, which is a severe omission to the Academy Award nominations), when they have not seen it and it barely registers on their radar screen?
Now as to the Academy Awards. Who cares. It's just a bunch of Hollywood masturbation. Who watches that shit anyway? I say to Spike and Will Smith...boycott away and save that money you would spend on a tux. No one cares anyway about this event except a bunch of wankers. I'd rather watch paint dry.
But the awards, ANY awards, should be based on merit and should consider the entire playing filed. As to the dilemma of why aren't there more black actors, directors, screen writers, editors cinematographers, etc... See my first paragraph on this post.
Throughout the last 100+ years of entertainment, Jews and Blacks have been involved together. A good example is Chess Records. If you think Leonard Chess was oblivious to what Blacks can do, guess again.
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