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CEDIA Certifications: Naming protocol has changed
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Post 16 made on Friday November 6, 2015 at 20:32
Ernie Gilman
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On November 6, 2015 at 16:14, juliejacobson said...
But it does matter in terms of hiring and subcontracting. You might want to hire a certified CEDIA guy if for no other reason than they took the initiative to do the training.

That's a valid point. Once you get some distance away from finishing college you realize that the only thing college does, for most people, is show that a)they can stick with something that doesn't have an instant reward, and b)they can write a paper, that is, integrate information and come up with something... new, helpful, interesting... probably.

On November 6, 2015 at 16:43, 2nd rick said...
I wouldn't use the term 'pointless' at all.

I don't want to just be negative, but you saying that is a foregone conclusion. If you used the term pointless, you'd be crazy to stay in your present job.

Last year, over 40,000 people used the 'find a CEDIA professional' button on the CEDIA.ORG site (the consumer site).

Come on, that's an empty statistic and you're better than that. First, how many of those 40,000 "find" button pushes resulted in installations? 10,000? 200? Pushing a button on a website is an empty gesture if it does not turn into installations.

Another way in which that is an empty statistic is that it doesn't mention how many installations there were in the US during the same time period. I mean, if it were 50,000, but CEDIA button pushes resulted in 200 of those, then we could conclude something! See how negative that seems with that number attached to it? Or if there were a total of 300,000* installations, that would sizably reduce the value that could be put on a button push!


*that's a bit fewer than one installation per thousand people, which must be WAY larger than the actual amount. But once you substitute some actual numbers and fill out the picture, you get to see some meaning.
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Post 17 made on Friday November 6, 2015 at 21:02
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On November 6, 2015 at 16:45, 2nd rick said...
Speaking to Highfigh's question of what we are doing:

CEDIA offers 11 different ROI presentations for members who have completed the ROI train-the-trainer program.

This means that you can offer lunch and learn presentations to architects, designers, builders, etc. There is always strong interest and attendance at these events. Since each session is accredited by numerous organizations (AIA, ASID, NARI, etc), the attendees earn CEU credits for attending ongoing instruction toward *their own* industry certifications.

Again, we have *eleven* unique presentations, each of which qualifies attendees for ongoing CEU credit. A CEDIA member who takes full advantage of the ROI program could offer a unique training nearly every month for the design and specification community in their markets.

When I worked for a large manufacturer's rep firm, I traveled numerous occasions with the trainers and RSMs from vendors who were teaching lunch and learn events (Lutron and Vantage). I can personally attest to the fact that architects attending the presentations were very interested in what was being discussed. I also spoke to a large group (40+) of interior design professionals at the Merchandise Mart in Chicago about automated motorized window coverings on behalf of Draper.

Each time, at least one of them stopped to ask about a project that was in process or on the horizon. That is high end lead generation at it's very finest.

In empowering the members to teach these types of sessions with CEDIA-developed content, we are creating a scenario where the INTEGRATORS THEMSELVES get to be viewed as the expert in the room, and not a person from a manufacturer.

If anyone is interested in learning more, please feel free to use the numbers I posted in the earlier thread.

[Link: cedia.net]

Edit: the term ROI (Registered Outreach Instructor) is no longer used.
It is now called COI (CEDIA Outreach Instructor).

OK, how many years and dollars does it take to reach that level of training? Time at training takes time away from productivity and if someone is an employee, their employer will only tolerate a certain amount of time off the clock and earning their keep. As the owner of a company, it takes them away from their duties as the guy who may be the whole company or might do most of the work, with one or more helpers. To add to the time window, CEDIA doesn't allow people to take an unlimited number of courses in one year. If I had wanted to drop $20K+ more than ten years ago, I would have gone back to college.
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Post 18 made on Friday November 6, 2015 at 21:14
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On November 6, 2015 at 14:51, highfigh said...
I have a question- what is CEDIA doing to raise consumer awareness of what it is/does? In all of the years since I got into consumer electronics (1978), I have yet to be asked about it or if I'm a member.

Well, in their defense, the Association of Realtors is the largest trade organization in the world. They spend millions on promotion, including national TV commercials. And most people still have no idea what a Realtor is.
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Post 19 made on Friday November 6, 2015 at 21:16
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Regarding those 40,000 button clicks, I'd bet at least half of them were CI's curious as to what names would come up in their area.
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Post 20 made on Friday November 6, 2015 at 22:09
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On November 6, 2015 at 21:16, Fins said...
Regarding those 40,000 button clicks, I'd bet at least half of them were CI's curious as to what names would come up in their area.

Apparently great minds think alike....
Post 21 made on Friday November 6, 2015 at 22:20
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On November 6, 2015 at 21:14, Fins said...
Well, in their defense, the Association of Realtors is the largest trade organization in the world. They spend millions on promotion, including national TV commercials. And most people still have no idea what a Realtor is.

Except for people who have bought real estate or need one and I find it amazing that so many mis-pronounce 'realtor' as 'realitor'.
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Post 22 made on Saturday November 7, 2015 at 18:00
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On November 6, 2015 at 21:02, highfigh said...
OK, how many years and dollars does it take to reach that level of training?

Becoming a COI involves passing a one-day class and paying a few hundred dollars, so cost and time aren't issues at all.

Without the ability to get in front of, and impress, your target market it won't do any good, but obtaining the certification isn't particularly difficult.

I haven't even had a chance to teach my first CEU class, and the certification has already paid for itself.
Post 23 made on Saturday November 7, 2015 at 18:58
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On November 6, 2015 at 22:20, highfigh said...
Except for people who have bought real estate or need one and I find it amazing that so many mis-pronounce 'realtor' as 'realitor'.

Actually most people that have used a realtor still don't know what the title actually means. They think anyone with a real estate license is a realtor.
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Post 24 made on Saturday November 7, 2015 at 19:40
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On November 7, 2015 at 18:58, Fins said...
Actually most people that have used a Realtor still don't know what the title actually means. They think anyone with a real estate license is a Realtor.

Fact....

A licensed real estate agent doe not have to join the local/state Realtors Association, but if an agent doesn't join, life in that industry can be VERY difficult.
Post 25 made on Saturday November 7, 2015 at 20:29
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On November 6, 2015 at 17:11, kgossen said...
When I first heard of Cedia and started reading about them, their number one talking point was consumer awareness, educating the consumer about our industry. The point was to be Cedia certified to impress your customer, not others IN the industry.

If I'm looking for somebody to help on a job, I couldn't give a crap about their Cedia certification, I'm more interested in their experience. I know a few guys that have a lot of Cedia courses under their belt and I wouldn't let them wire a dog house. I want someone that understands my regional electrical code until we have a unified electrical code for North America.

Cedia does have it's benefits. I can go to the show and take many manufacturers' courses at a fraction of the cost of travelling all over to take them.

It's frustrating when there was so much potential to raise consumer awareness and it's been pissed away.

I care if my mechanic is certified, you should too. Don't have enough hair to worry about a hairdresser :(

I wouldn't put too much stock in an ASE certified mechanic. I have had several friends who are/were mechanics and they all told me the same thing. Me, as a gearhead/shadetree mechanic would have little problem passing the ASE tests for various automotive systems.

It is pretty similar to CEDIA. I know guys in my our industry who make me wonder how they get out of bed in the morning without hurting themselves that are CEDIA certified.
Then again I know some of the same people who are somehow licensed contractors.
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