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4K sources?
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Post 1 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 15:52
Conundrum
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I apologize in advance for even raising this topic again. 4K threads remind me of the endless negative HDMI threads we've all read and/or participated in. I did not attend Cedia this year, so I'm hoping someone saw or heard anything about 4K sources. Is there anything available today in the residential market that delivers 4K outside of the Sony 4K player? I hear about Directv offering 4K, but also heard it only works with select Samsung TV's. Is this correct? Our showroom DTV receiver won't even show the 4K channels in the guide. It is connected via HDMI to a Sony 4K TV for what that's worth. I also hear about Netflix streaming 4K. What source devices support this feature? Is this only available when using the internal Netflix app on certain Smart TV's? Are we all out of luck showing 4K DTV or Netflix content on a front projection 4K rig?
Post 2 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 16:01
Ernie Gilman
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Well, one thing is there's every possibility that you need to tell DirecTV that you've got a 4K display for them to push a virtual button on their computer and deliver the signal to you. I mean, hey, how are they going to eventually charge the folks for 4k if they don't have a record somewhere of who's using it?
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Post 3 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 16:13
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I think the HR54 is the only 4k Capable DirecTV Box.

New TiVo Bolt does 4k Netflix, and YouTube.

New Fire TV for Amazon (Probably Netflix as well)

New Roku4 supports 4k Netflix and Amazon
Post 4 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 16:22
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Roku 4 is starting to ship.
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Post 5 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 16:31
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Kaleidascape Strato as well.

[Link: cepro.com]
I dont think thats actually shipping yet though.
OP | Post 6 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 17:58
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Thanks for the replies so far. I've heard rumors about the Roku, K-scape Strato, and Firestick, but not the HR54 and Tivo. Has anyone actually seen streaming Netflix 4K from any of these devices yet? Are these all new models that have not shipped yet?

Fred-can a dealer order a Roku4 today and be watching 4K when it arrives, or is this a "future feature to be unlocked later with a software update"?
Post 7 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 18:24
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TiVo bolt is shipping now. pretty sure 4k netflix is live, but I dont have a 4k tv at home so havent tried it myself.


Youtube 4k works fine on the Bolt here in the showroom though.
Post 8 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 21:15
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If your Sony is a 2014 or 2015 (earlier versions may work, but I haven't tried them) XBR you should be able to stream 4K via Amazon Instant.
Post 9 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 21:31
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HR-54 has definitely not been confirmed for 4k. As of now, the only 4K offering from DTV is the C-61K client. The HR-54 is rumored to be 4k, but to everyones knowledge, it is not HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2
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Post 10 made on Tuesday October 27, 2015 at 22:50
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As Ed said, with DirecTV it is the C-61 4K client to do 4K. I have installed a few now. All of the 4K is VOD pay-per-view and 1 VOD 4K demo. The 4K content is downloaded to the Genie and then the C-61 streams it from there and to the TV.
I haven't done the RVU with Samsung or Sony TV's to get the 4K from DirecTV. But both are suppose to be able to do it.
Post 11 made on Thursday October 29, 2015 at 21:48
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The biggest issue with the 4K / Samsung / Direct TV I'm my option is the DVD function. It's really sluggish. I ended up switching back to using my genie via hdmi.

Netflix streaming "Narcos" in 4 k looks great!

TiVo bolt streams 4k.
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Post 12 made on Friday October 30, 2015 at 06:45
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Im not a fan of Netflix 4k. The about of compression is stupid. I can see MPEG compression around fast moving objects when I am standing in front of the screen. IMO, and good old fashion 1080p bluray looks better than Netflix 4k. They are now requiring that netflix needs 14MBS to stream 4k. 4k uncompressed on a network take something like 750MBS. You do the math to see how much compression there is.
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Post 13 made on Saturday October 31, 2015 at 08:59
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1080P Blu-ray looks better than any of the streaming 4K sources and it is simply a matter of bandwidth and the compression needed for streaming. For picture quality and steaming they would be better using 1080 or even 720 with a lot less compression than trying to stream 4K at the bandwidths available now. But 4K works for marketing so that is what is going to happen.
Post 14 made on Monday November 2, 2015 at 09:20
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The Sony FMP-X10 ($700 retail) is now unlocked to work with anyone's 4k displays or projectors (assuming HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2)

The FMP-X10 and the upcoming Kscape Stratos are the best solutions in the short term future since they DL the entire file.

On October 31, 2015 at 08:59, BobL said...
1080P Blu-ray looks better than any of the streaming 4K sources and it is simply a matter of bandwidth and the compression needed for streaming.

True, but remember that we don't plan our systems for today's bandwidth.
Think of it like this: It's the only source we sell today that we KNOW will look better tomorrow!

Also, set up regular Blue Bolt or OVRC style remote re-booting for your clients'
modems. The most recent Comcast/Xfinity speed increase slipped under the radar for a lot of folks, and all that was required was a reboot of the modem!
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Post 15 made on Wednesday November 4, 2015 at 14:13
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On the subject of 4K sources, does the talk of a 4K Blu-ray player kind of surprise you? With much of the world going towards streaming, I am seeing 4K Blu-ray is a distinctly risky endeavor for smaller manufacturers. I can picture the Yamahas, Denons, and Integras sourcing out a player from Funai or somebody that makes them cheap. Producing their own would be too expensive.
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