Actually, it stayed very on topic to the original question until you had to start taking shots at American gun owners. So, you should think twice about the "oh it was bound to happen" angle.

Given that you post here, i assume you have the internet available to you. You should try using it to look beyond the borders of your country and see not only what is happening in the rest of the world but also how your own country deals with the rest of the world.

It's common knowledge that ISIS was formed from rebels who were funded and trained by Uncle Sam to overthrow the Assad regime. America has then almost sat on it's hands and allowed ISIS to fester in the hope that they will still overthrow the legal government of Syria so they can then move in and clean up ISIS and install more friendly "democratically elected government" than Assad. The American military (who were not requested to come in by Assad) would fly mission after mission over ISIS strongholds and not drop a bomb due to a level of concern about collateral damage that has never been seen before. After months of this it was pretty clear that America was not interested in getting rid of ISIS until Assad had fallen. Russia who is an ally of Syria then offered Assad assistance which was accepted and they proceeded using surgical strikes to bomb more ISIS strongholds and do more damage to them in the first 2 days than America had done in months. The Damage they have done to ISIS now is significant.

Look it up Ranger, it's not hard to find information on this if you are the slightest bit interested in what goes on beyond your own shores, including the actions of your own country. For the record, I think i know a LOT more about what is going on in the world than you do.

I suppose you think Iraq is better off now than than it was with Saddam? Certainly America might be better off, but Iraq, not so much.

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Simon, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Obviously, you are misinformed on the way our government operates. See, we elect representatives, senators, and a president to go to Washington DC to run the government. It's not Ancient Greece, we don't take a vote of the public on every decision.

After what we saw happen with the stability of Iraq after their mirrors dictator was removed, most people that I know were very reluctant to be supportive of the Arab Spring. However, there was a vibe in the air that it was completely un -PC to say so. you know, we were supposed to support people fighting for their own rule. Even if history did suggest the odds were good that the inevitable would be more American hating, terrorist supporting Caliphate.

The plan that to support and train rebels came from the Obama White House. The idea to not do anything about ISIS came from the same place. But, I know you will have a hard time believing that since all of you enlightened outsiders think he's doing such a great job changing America's image. Yes, he is responsible for your biggest criticism of our current events.

Lets examine this shall we.

My first post was a compliment to another member on his post. Nothing more.

My second post was this:
What about the kid who finds dads loaded shotgun and plays bugs bunny with it on his baby brother, expecting just a black face when he pulls the trigger. (It's happened)
This is a good reason to keep them locked away and to legislate against having an easily accessible loaded gun in the house. If it's accessible to you any time you feel you need it, then it's accessible to everyone else under your roof as well including your kids friends. Not everyone lives in the Nirvana that is your super responsible well trained nothing go wrong household.

Then you replied with this:
|You worry about the growing Islamic faction and racist divides in the Lollypop Guild, and I'll worry about gun violence in America. Good bye.

A bit idiotic and a severe reaction to my comment. But you then post later on:

|And I do think firearms should be stored securely when I'm not home. even if my kids are raised around guns and I know I can trust them to follow the rule that they don't touch a gun without me, I have no idea about what their friends are taught or capable of. However, currently my kids are not old enough to be left alone, so it's not something I have to worry about too much.

So just to be clear, you actually agreed with what i said in my original post yet insulted me completely off the topic simply because i am not American.

Tell me again exactly who derailed this thread and and lead it to where it is now. Clearly to you only an American opinion is a valid opinion, even if your opinion was the same. You're a hypocrite of the first order.

You convienently forgot the second sentence of your first post. It was clearly a thinly disguised insult.


Also, maybe yall do it differently down there, but in my part of the world, you start telling someone how they should conduct their house keeping, it's an insult.

I accept the bulk of this statement as it pertains to Syria and ISIS. Nobody is saying Obama is perfect or that the right decisions are always made. This one was an enormous screw up for sure. There does however seem to be a long tradition on both sides of American politics to attack other countries in the name of America "and her interests". Every president must have his war. It certainly seems like this saying is true. At least to the rest of the world outside of the united states.

You accept it? I didn't realize you were the final judgment on world history

You are looking way to deeply if you think that me saying "some posts were eye opening" was an insult to you. You give yourself way too much importance. I didn't forget this conveniently. It actually was completely irrelevant to the post. Maybe if you weren't constantly looking to engage people (me) in a hyper defensive manner we would get along better. I know you consider my thoughts worthless, but i see far more of your countrymen agreeing with me than with you in posts on most of the points we argue about.

If you and i can both stick to the points without the tit for tat insulting i think we might both be able to find some validity in each others comments.

Yeah I accept it. That's me. Don't recall saying i was the final judge on anything. I just agreed with you on something but you are too busy looking for an argument to see it.

Not irrelevant. It was insulting

Do you want to blame the government, or are you interested in another POV?

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Negligent? I don't think so, but if the gun is accessible by anyone who enters the house, it's not secure and that IS a problem. Same goes for the drugs that are so popular now- Oxy and other opiates really should be hidden, at the very least and because too many people have lost all respect for other peoples' property rights, it puts all of us in a bad position- if we lock the guns away, we can't defend ourselves and if they're accessible to us in the event of a home invasion, they're just as available to some POS who thinks it's OK to break in.

The more I hear the local calls on the scanner, the more I want to live outside of town, in a secure compound.

Given that i had not commented earlier in the entire thread except to compliment someone on a post. How do you take me saying that some of the previous posts were eye opening as an insult.

How insecure do you have to be to find that insulting????

If anyone else reading this thinks this was insulting, I'd love to know why?

You don't even have any context as to what i found eye opening. You just made an assumption and rolled out the comments about the lollypop guild and something about Islam that in no way bore any relation to the conversation up till that point.

Your comment above is what started the insults. As i mentioned in the other post, how about we both drop the insults and try and have a civilized conversation. If you think i insulted you then ask what i meant.

The problem with young-uns handling guns before 16, or 21 in your plan, is that they MUST be that they're dangerous, how to handle them safely and that if they think a cartoon is reality, they're not gonna use a gun as long as the parents have anything to say about it. I know a lot of people who learned to handle various firearms as kids and they wouldn't think of doing what is happening now but then, they're not kids, either. The lack of discipline now is causing most of the problems.

As far as someone's gun being stolen, this must mean you want to make reporting firearm theft mandatory, with penalties for not complying- it's not mandatory in all states now. If you think everyone will report this, guess again.

As far as becoming hooked on Oxy or something, it seems that you don't know how addictive that crap is. When kids are at a party or club and someone offers something, we all hope they won't try it but if they decide to be rebellious for some reason and they already had a few drinks, they may decide that they want to see what it's all about. They get the first one free and after they decide they liked it enough to buy some, they learn the hard way that the sample was stomped on pretty hard and they won't know how much to use, so they OD. It happens ALL THE TIME. My neighbors (three doors down) lost their 21 year old daughter last spring to this and, as it turns out, they'd had an intervention about a year before. Seeing her around the neighborhood, I wouldn't have expected this, at all. People are OD-ing all over and a lot of this is happening in the suburbs & outlying areas.

Not all gun owners by for protection and many who do, don't have a CCW permit. They buy it to have, but hope they never need to use it and they don't practice, think about it, prepare for using it. They also don't think about the many ways that owning it can bite them on the ass.