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Sony and Sonos integration - comments?
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Post 16 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 11:00
jimstolz76
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On September 23, 2015 at 10:52, Total Control Remotes said...
Forgive my ignorance (I am not a Sony guy) but can't this be done with any receiver for some control brands?

For example, RTI has a driver that might be limited in terms of comprehensive control features, but it does have the ability to trigger events (turn on receiver, etc.) when the SONOS zone is selected or plays. I am using RTI as an example, but couldn't most companies that have developed some type of SONOS control do this?

Yes, but I believe the bigger draw of this is when you don't have a control system in place. OR - if you have a basic URC remote for a surround sound system but also have a Sonos Connect and you want the AVR to switch to it when started from the app...and you don't to use audio sensors, voltage triggers, etc.
Post 17 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 11:54
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On September 23, 2015 at 10:52, Total Control Remotes said...
Forgive my ignorance (I am not a Sony guy) but can't this be done with any receiver for some control brands?

Sure, I've been doing this since the introduction of Sonos, but the detail of remembering the previous source's Volume setting is not trivial (or even possible for some controllers).
Post 18 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 12:01
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On September 23, 2015 at 11:00, jimstolz76 said...
Yes, but I believe the bigger draw of this is when you don't have a control system in place. OR - if you have a basic URC remote for a surround sound system but also have a Sonos Connect and you want the AVR to switch to it when started from the app...and you don't to use audio sensors, voltage triggers, etc.

Bingo! When I do small condo's/appartments downtown where it is really ONLY a surround sound zone/extra zone of sonos a full on control system just doesnt make sense...Ill always push for C4 as the first option butttt sometimes a basic URC system just makes sense.
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Post 19 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 12:10
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Yes, you can do this with a Control System, but it requires you to set the Sonos System to Static IP, send the Pause command to the Sonos Zone via IP, Set the return volume, and set the volume on the Receiver.

I can do this with an MRX8 or 10, but it adds $600 to the cost, plus it adds programming and setup time. For a simple system, its an MRF260, MX780, Sony 1000ES, and Connect. Great combo and easy setup.
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Post 20 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 12:10
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On September 23, 2015 at 11:54, buzz said...
Sure, I've been doing this since the introduction of Sonos, but the detail of remembering the previous source's Volume setting is not trivial (or even possible for some controllers).

This was a feature that I described and requested of Sony last year after these receivers first shipped and it was clear this feature was missing. I was pretty surprised when Sony listened and actually implemented this firmware update.

FWIW, the Music Connect feature also works with Sony's HiRes music players as well: HAPS1 and HAPZ1 which are more music servers and less music streamers. The advantage these have is they can play much higher quality audio files (192/24, DSD) than Sonos and they will store your entire music collection.
Post 21 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 12:15
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The Music Connect actually looks at data traffic, not audio. I assume you could use just about any streaming source.
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Post 22 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 12:32
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On September 23, 2015 at 10:36, Archibald "Harry" Tuttle said...
Since we left HK several years ago the Aventage series has been our go to AVR.

I suspect that MusicCast is going to hurt HEOS. For the short term the MusicCast line needs to be expanded a bit, but it is well though out and, as is typical for YAMAHA, will be well supported.
Post 23 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 15:20
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On September 23, 2015 at 12:15, vwpower44 said...
The Music Connect actually looks at data traffic, not audio. I assume you could use just about any streaming source.

It looks for traffic at MAC address but it doesn't work with my Squeezebox.
Post 24 made on Wednesday September 23, 2015 at 21:16
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I've been living with a 3000ES and connect for about 6 months. Overall the music connect feature works good. I have noticed a few things that are worth pointing out. My AVR has the latest firmware and has a DHCP reservation. Control is via IP from Savant for TV watching.

The AVR sometimes takes 8-10 seconds to turn on. It's probably network related, haven't dug in to it to see what may be causing the slow down. Not anything huge but some clients can't stand to even wait 5 seconds for something to happen.

I've been watching TV and the AVR will switch to the sonos input all by itself. I look to see if another room is using Sonos and find no other zones turned on (I have a total of three - 2 Connects and 1 connect amp). Switch back to TV with Savant and sometimes it will switch to the Sonos input a second time. Switch back to TV and all is well. Haven't had it misbehave more than twice with this.

The AVR has an auto standby feature that is supposed to set the AVR to standby when it doesn't see any incoming signal. I figure this was great with Sonos so AVR doesn't get left on 24/7 because the client forgot to turn it off. I have it enabled in my system and it NEVER has worked. I want to try and unplug everything from the back panel to see if it will auto standby but haven't tried it yet.

I like that the volume and surround format is tied to the input. Sonos gets set to -5db and multi channel stereo. All other inputs can be set to a different surround/volume level/input configurations.

I didn't care for the auto calibration, it didn't sound right so I manually setup levels with my SPL meter.

I like that the setup can be done via web browser and changes are in real time. You can backup/save configs too. I don't like that firmware has to push via USB on the front panel.

No comment on amp quality which was a problem with previous ES receivers. I have a Rotel RMB1095 on the pre outs.
Post 25 made on Saturday January 16, 2016 at 18:22
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I have finally decided to swap the old Pioneer SC-35, a beauty of a powerhouse 45lb tank! :(. The only complaint over the last 5+ years is it's slow hdmi hdcp switching/power up delay at bout 10-12 sec's. It sounds amazing still & is true to it's 140watts!

Anyhow, just un-boxed a ZA3000ES to test the Sonos feature. Setup was a breeze thanks to all the posts above dudes. Works great & is cool BUT..... a Sonos pause or mute command (whether app, pc, controller, ip, etc) does not turn off the Sony avr!? I find the automation cool to detect, turn on, change source, etc great BUT..... now my nice new lightweight avr is on all day after I leave. WTF, I now have to remember to grab my T2X or use Sony app (is there one?) to shut er down. Am I missing something guys?
Post 26 made on Sunday January 17, 2016 at 10:23
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I don't have a SONY receiver to try this, but you may have some success if you hold a SONOS Mute/Pause button for about three seconds. This SONOS command will issue a "Pause All".
Post 27 made on Sunday January 17, 2016 at 21:52
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Turn on Auto Standby. After 20 minutes of no signal, the AVR will turn off. Also, make sure you have Sonos Set to not submit diagnostics. I have seen this a couple of times cause the receiver to turn on and to the sonos input.
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Post 28 made on Thursday January 28, 2016 at 15:28
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Based on this thread I decided to test a Sonos Connect with a the ZA3000ES but I'm not seeing the solid integration reported here. Once the Connect starts playing it can take several minutes for the AVR to notice and turn itself on. Going in the other direction, changing the input or turning off the receiver causes Sonos to pause almost instantaneously so there isn't a network connectivity issue. Is there some setting I'm overlooking to get this working right?
Post 29 made on Sunday May 15, 2016 at 22:50
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Where do I turn off diagnostics? Cannot find on pc nor app?
Post 30 made on Sunday May 15, 2016 at 23:06
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I have had "Usage Data" unchecked for months now fyi.
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